I agree pot size river bet is almost always the nuts ...just as a check check bet is almost always a bluff ...I’ve also noticed c/r a small sizing on the flop and barreling the turn usually does the trick ...but most importantly keep position and pressure on them and they are basically playing their hand face up by the turn

Man, seeing some of the names of the accused and on banned list is infuriating. How are they going to refund me $9 for One tournament ladder when I have thousands of hands vs these guys??? I appreciate the notion something is better than nothing, but come on...

Like I said.. ChristinePoker and them don't have a bot problem because they're kicking everyone's ass. Player is a high-roller and got back $20.

High volume is what bots excel at...hours of play and no tilting.

BTW:
6 of the top 8 (really, not kidding either) profitable accounts for 50nl on ACR look a little too suspicious to me.

https://ibb.co/Sv3Lgqj

hundreds of thousands of hands played with this type of precision?? And it's not even just the overall stats...if you break down positional stats you'll get even more blown away. And yes, i've already tried sending these names to ACR late in 2018 and yet they've still been slowly chugging away the last few months.

What are the account names?

No I don't agree with that. Regardless if someone crushes, they deserve equal rights with this compensation for bots as all of us...so long as they aren't bots themselves lol. I am more concerned how far back I have played against these accounts and only getting compensation for a single recent tournament.

The rules are stated on the website. They would bankrupt their site if they compensated everyone on every hand they ever played vs BOTs. So while it stinks I understand the rules they have put out. This is coming from someone who plays a ton of cash on WPN.

I didn't play much today, but in the small session I played of HU Hypers I noticed there was a decrease of bots registering for games. I know bobocool is banned, but I haven't noticed the others.

Yes almost all of the PLO bot that play plo100 or higher are winning the 3rd tier Beast prize every single week. Some of the bots have played over half a million hands.

Thanks for compiling this data. Hopefully something is done about it.

0 PLO BOTs playing right now in .5-1 and above, pretty awesome.

I see Crazyhooch and GhostStPatrick on right now. And loktar is holding it down at plo50.

lol how do 4 color cards work in jackpot sngs on the beta but not the real client

Good stuff moss84. nearly statistically impossible to have identical stats like that.
Some naysayer will try to tell you 50k-100k hand sample size is too small. With that many known variables and even using a 98 percent confidence level & small 2% confidence interval you need only a few thousand hands to accurately draw statistical comparison. Fact that you have so many hands and go deeper into lesser used variables is icing on the cake. Or should I say nails in the coffin. I certainly hope WPN looks hard at those accounts and we soon see them on the banned list.

That's some pretty damning evidence in my opinion. Very unlikely that this would be a coincidence. I really hope ACR starts to address the cash game issue sooner rather than later. I'm not saying MTTs aren't important too, but a lot of damage can be done at cash games if people are losing multiple buy-ins to these bots.

They popped up a half hour after I posted, still a lot fewer then normal.

encouraging stuff lately.

I will totally deposit and grind around 50-1 and 1-2 if the bot problem is taken care of. Keeping an eye on this thread

Oh Ok, SnG/MTT bots are capped to a small amount of tables but yah, makes sense that the cash game ones can play higher volume.

It does seem like fewer bots are around, but I haven't really been playing past couple weeks.

Regarding exploits you want to take lines out of position with strong hands that are usually taken with weak hands or give ups. Like check raise flop check raise turn is a good line.

If you check flop and bot checks back you should usually go for a turn x/r with nearly 100% frequency. If the bot checks back turn as well this usually is some very marginal showdown value hand or total air and checking river is usually correct. Do not try to level the bot, if the bot has a good hand it will never fold.

Turn donks on a brick that brings draws are always a wrap+fd , but the bot rarely does this. Turn donks on a nut changing card is never a bluff from my experience. Flop donks are very strong nutted draws or the current nuts and I would not recommend raising them as a bluff very often.

Bots will frequently bet fold the flop and turn in position so check raising them aggressively is recommended as a bluff, as well as the turn. You must check raise as a bluff much more frequently than you would a strong regular or you will get run over.

In 3bet pots bots will trap when flopping nuts at an extremely high frequency i position. Oop a bot will even take a check check check line with the nuts in a 3b pot. In single raised pots bots trap in position at a much lower frequency.

Since the bot likes to check raise so many of its strong hands on the turn after flop checks through, its turn probing range is generally quite weak and can be aggressively bluffed/thinly raised. The bot will still probe nuts however. Bots like to take probe/call lines at a high frequency with monster hands that are not the absolute nuts.

There are a couple of sizing tells I have noticed. Pot is typically taken with either the nuts or very weak hand (gutter, ect). In certain lines the bot will always check raise the nuts so you can raise them with total air when they probe or delay cbet but these spots take a lot of experience to spot. Pot turn pot river is almost never seen as a bluff.

The bots are programmed to know which textures and runouts are bad for your preflop range. Bots will go crazy on these boards vs weakness.

I think some amount of cbetting needs to be incorporated when deep against the bot. because they will check back their middling made hands and draws and you want to extract maximum value versus these holdings.

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/2...sites-1741416/

This might be what is actually responsible for the disappearance of the Latvian bots.

Thank you very informative. Although I only play NL, this is pretty much the exact same strategy the bot is using.

I love the 4:20 break lol.

Considering we've been sending them lists of bots with their suspicious stats for 2+ years, and ACR has been profiting off them and us this whole time, I don't see how its unreasonable to expect compensation when they handwaved the accusations away and let us human players waste our time with sisyphusean effort in the unwinnable environment they allowed to exist, if not out right facilitated.

If they didnt want to go bankrupt refunding losses incurred by bots, they shouldve looked into it 2 years ago when they were first discovered. If it takes video proof of a bot malfunctioning going viral for them to even look into it, its hard not to assume that acr was complicit in the bots existing on their site, and id be surprised if we got any reasonable refunds for the plo bot ring ban. **** acr.

Papi did say he is getting Phil Nagy on for a podcast on April 29th.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-q7Npnz0ZS0

Now that is pretty big. Can't wait to see what he has to say.