Does anyone who's a US player make any money anymore? I know at least a dozen people like me who play regularly and it's like we're literally not allowed to win anything. Everything that could possibly go wrong does. Every single session. Yet, we see the same accounts on the same sites always sitting around with 500bb at the cash tables or winning 12+ SNG's in a row. There are clearly bots and house players everywhere.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...h4E/edit#gid=0

Here is a brief sample of the over 65+ bots at PLO. I am working on data for NLHE bots in the future.

The most important stats to look for are float flop and flop cbet(Multiway).

https://imgur.com/a/cAOJQR3
https://imgur.com/AwXeW6U

A quick way to see if a player is a bot is to look them up on statname.net,just look at flop turn and river AFq.

Why are people still playing here if you know it's bot infested and rigged? Wasn't this site completely outted as being a fraud like 6+ months ago? Why is there still traffic?

are seating scripts Still allowed? what we can do against players who use it

Does this question include MTT folks also? If it does, then yes.

I couldn't even conceive of playing an MTT here. They take way, way too long.

This is the least of your problems. You are lucky if you can get in a game with all humans. You can get good at poker and not have to worry about being hunted by better players.

I am a professional player that resides in the US. Every US network has this bot on it. WPN is the least evil site for me to choose from. Just to be clear, I don't think the site is "rigged". But there absolutely is a massive bot ring and I have proof of that.

Winning Poker Network (Yatahay) - 50/100 NL (2 max) - Holdem - 2 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (BB): 650
SB: 2,350 (VPIP: 83.08, PFR: 50.77, 3Bet Preflop: 10.53, Hands: 86)

SB posts SB 50, Hero posts BB 100

Pre Flop: (pot: 150) Hero has K 2

SB raises to 2,350 and is all-in, Hero calls 550 and is all-in

Flop: (1,300, 2 players) 3 8 3

Turn: (1,300, 2 players) 4

River: (1,300, 2 players) T

Hero shows K 2 (One Pair, Threes)
(Pre 70%, Flop 87%, Turn 93%)
SB shows T 2 (Two Pair, Tens and Threes)
(Pre 30%, Flop 13%, Turn 7%)
SB wins 1,300

It's just hundreds of hands like this every day. By hook or by crook, you're just not allowed to win any money. Even if I have 90%+ equity, it's a loss. Every time.

It’s called variance.

Yes, I know. I shouldn't have even posted it. I haven't played in a while but had some money left on the site so I fired a few games up on here today. My card and mental game both need work.

Winning Poker Network (Yatahay) - 75/150 NL (2 max) - Holdem - 2 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (BB): 1,595
SB: 1,405 (VPIP: 77.66, PFR: 55.68, 3Bet Preflop: 13.64, Hands: 247)

SB posts SB 75, Hero posts BB 150

Pre Flop: (pot: 225) Hero has A Q

SB raises to 1,405 and is all-in, Hero calls 1,255

Flop: (2,810, 2 players) 7 7 9

Turn: (2,810, 2 players) 5

River: (2,810, 2 players) 9

Hero shows A Q (Two Pair, Nines and Sevens)
(Pre 68%, Flop 76%, Turn 86%)
SB shows A 4 (Two Pair, Nines and Sevens)
(Pre 32%, Flop 24%, Turn 14%)
Hero wins 1,405
SB wins 1,405

Any time I get it in good to win the HUSNG with this account = split pot. It simply cannot be beat. 0/6 against the same account today. Major, major variance on WPN. This reminds me of the last time I played cash games here. Split pots all over the place every time I got the $ in good. I mean it's just big hands vs random hands losing 90%+ of the time. /shrug.

Some people just God run all the time.. but can we please get the client fixed so that it doesnt freeze all the time?

Do we have any record of a live player running like God all the time...or just online ones? This same account has open shoved 49o on the first hand vs QQ and won. That's a little strange. It's certainly helping to sharpen up my game but it would be nice to win a hand once in a while.

I wish there wasn't all these clueless fish posting bad beat stories and crying about rigging, when there is a grave matter at hand. Players are being cheated out of millions of dollars by a massive bot ring at cash and there is incontrovertible evidence to prove so.

?? So it's ok that there's botting and rigging in SNG's, just as long as there isn't any in cash games?

I see.

It's not a "bot ring" that you're seeing. Those are almost definitely house accounts playing together.

edit: same account I've been complaining about is back at the SNG's again. He's been playing for over 12 hours straight and just win, after win, after win, after win. No matter what it does good or bad, it wins.

Beat it a couple of times. I will say that although I hadn't played in a while (not because of the game, but because of life) I am having a lot of fun. I missed the tables. I guess I'll try out Global and Ignition later.

I don't know that there is or isn't bots in SNGs. If there is, that obviously is not ok.

Is ACR down for anyone else?

down fml

The person you replied to said nothing about rigging. You're the only one talking about it right now, and this isn't the thread for rigged anecdotes or posting your bad beats. If you want to throw your rigged theories against the wall, there's a thread specific to that. If you have substantial and credible evidence of rigging, you should start a new thread and present it.

Care to share your evidence of this?

You know there's no evidence of it lol. Let's not pretend like most people don't believe this about WPN, though. They do, and you know that, too.

That's why these rooms are so profitable: There's no way to know what they are or aren't doing.

Cash games have been running fine last 3 hours no down time

Can UK players give me the best option for cashing out? Non crypto as I don't know how it works. Any help is appreciated thanks

Here's a thought then - don't state opinion as fact.

Yes, yes, I know - you said "almost definitely".

I'm quite confident that most people don't believe "Those are almost definitely house accounts playing together".