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because its at midnight

err this makes 3/6 almost unplayable, since I'd imamgine we take about 1-2bb hit to winrate from paying an extra $2 ;-0

I do like the contributed take, tired of seeing all tehse 25 vpip nits get equal rakeback to loose aggresives who also happen to get the same RB as a 15vpip ultra nit. I hope the mass tablers dont leave, will hurt the action a lot. IMO the breakeven point hsould be approx 25vpip, and build around that

oh lol, misread thought it was midnight tonight uk time

imo cashing out your roll and not playing is a better idea of protesting than sitting out. Sitting out still increases their "players online" stat and makesi t look like more games are running. I doubt whoever is running party ATM is looking close enough to see that the games aren't actually running. "Great success!"

I doubt they actually think it's gonna be ''a success''. They beleive that some players will quit but overall, they will make a profit. They are also probably aware of that protest thing going on itt.

The pokerstars.fr players froze the action and the sit-out leader soon got a personal call from Star's OWNER, so you might say that someone noticed.

However, I concede that Party is much less attuned to their high-volume customer base than PS.

about all the nl600 tables are dead

rake is still at 3$ tho

got a nitty question 2 ask?
ive got a bonus on party already from a free bankroll ive almost cleared half i get 100 dollar if i complete it but im busto on their so im taking around 100 usd off another site to clear it,
if i deposit do i lose last bonus? because il get a new deposit bonus right?

Changes moved to tomorrow as palladium support told me. HU cap increase to 2 USD is disgusting, dont know on what site is more then 1 USD

We're on the exact same page here but intuition is just wrong when it comes to weighted contributed though. I'd speculate the reason it punishes winning players so much is that it ultimately all comes down to playing big pots postflop. If you find a 15VPIP fish that never raises pre, and never folds post he's going to contribute way more rake than somebody playing 30VPIP intelligently. So you can't directly relate weighted contributed cost/benefit to VPIP. A better correlation would some mix of:

-high vpip
-low pfr
-high wtsd

There's a name for those players.

i'm so happy i left party again...

oh, and i'm still waiting for the VIP support to send me the HHs i requested 1month ago

I was going to move to party and go for Palladium Elite next quarter, but def won't be moving now. Party are killing the already increasingly difficult games. How much does this take off your winrate at SSNL/MSNL?

Big table blocking protest ongoing now at Party poker at 3/6 and 5/10. Please help us with this until they respond to our request to return the rake to its previous rate.

PartyRep,

Please respond to our request to move the rake back to what it is. Our protest is ongoing. This is a protest from players who have payed tens of thousands of dollars in rake over the years and have been loyal party customers.

i was keeping half my roll on party in case they fixed the software problems. how naive of me, i know. looks like i will have to keep it on there a little longer so i can sit out at 3/6 tables today. after that PEACE OUT party, you are the nut terrible site.

I think keeping the rake to 3$ is far more important

The average rake paid in dollars/100 is within a few dollars for all stakes between $400 and $1000 (http://www.pokertableratings.com/blo...heads-up-rake/). That leads me to believe that a lot of the rake paid at $400, and even more so at $600, is coming from pots that hit the rake cap. If they weren't frequently hitting the rake cap then you'd expect the rake at $1000, where practically every pot hits the rake cap, to have a substantially higher rake.

Assuming that is correct, this will result in a very substantial rake increase. The rake in bb/100 for $600NL according to PTR is 2.4bb/100. If the vast majority of the rake is indeed coming from max raked pots that means the rake will increase by some figure close to the maximum 66% increase or 1.6bb/100.

As for the change to weighted contributed... Based on my experiences when Full Tilt changed over if you're a looser than average winning player (25% in my case) then chop off somewhere around 10-20% from your rakeback. If you're tighter then chop off up to around 50%. You will not benefit from weighted contributed if you are a winning player. Something all FTP players learned rather quickly. I was one of the guys cheering the change on due its 'fairness' and presumably positive impact on the games. Nuh uh. If you're a winning player you're going to lose money due to this. And at least at Full Tilt the game quality didn't change one bit.

Neither is more important. The change to weighted contributed completely screws over lower stakes players. The change to $5 rake cap completely screws over mid and lower high stakes players. Just because one personally impacts you more than the other doesn't mean either change is any less brutal.

This is what I am referring to. I should have said "return the rake cap to $3".

The release that was planned for today (August 24th) has been pushed back to tomorrow. This is the release that contains the change to weighted/contributed rake, as well as the rake changes at $3/6 and $5/10 NL Hold'em cash game tables.

Based off of player feedback, we are discussing the possibility of not implementing the rake changes for $3/6 and $5/10 NL, and will make a decision in the morning.

What about the heads up rake??

A wild partyrep has appeard!

Actually the contrubuted affects me more. 5$ rake is obviously the worst change just stop thinking about you

Well I dunno what kind of feedback you were expecting tbh.

Notice how they don't include NL2000 in the post.

that only says txnlhe games, what about plo