You've mentioned this in quite a few threads about at least 3 sites now. Has anyone taken your advice and been successful?

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Kahn

AFAIK they do not respond, like the legally binding agreement do not exist. Was someone able to open a Skrill account without confirming the ToS?

One can only assume then that your definition of an "illegal gambling site" and Skrills definition of an "illegal gambling site" differ. And since Skrill controls the money and you post on an Internet forum, I think it is safe to assume that Skrill wins this argument.

As such, why do you continue to post this "advice" with such authority and gusto under the user name "Player Protection?" The "advice" you offer gives people false hope and makes them think you know a solution to their issues, when in fact, you have none. Please explain.

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Kahn

What is Skrill's definition of an illegal gambling operation? I am not aware about their definition, as they never gave a statement.

Despite of this, what is an illegal operation and not is defined by the criminal laws and not by me or Skrill. And you can be rest assured that misappropriation of player funds and or fraud thru misleading information and or bankruptcy fraud is a criminal offense in most countries in this world.

I have never heard an argument from them, please quote?

They control indeed the electronic money, but there is something higher that controls them. E.g. the Financial Conduct Authority under the Electronic Money Regulations 2011 and the criminal and civil laws, police and court in England.

I doubt very much that you are able to assess whether my advice is a solution or not. Despite of this, I inform victims about their rights and have never stated that this will lead to success.

1) If Skrill habitually and grave do not fulfill the ToS, the first step is to send a registered letter to their legal department and ask to reverse the transactions or ask for indemnification.

-> I can not assess the outcome of this, as this solely depend on the willingness of Skrill. I would say, the more people write, the higher is the chance they get aware of this.

2) The next step would be to sue them in London, preferably a class action.

My personal assessment is as follows:

1) I can exclude that the court will come to the conclusion that the ToS are not valid, as this would mean that no one in England has to fulfill contracts he has signed, which would lead to chaos.

2) Do we have enough proof that Skrill habitually and grave do not fulfill the legally binding agreement? In my opinion yes:

a) I and I am sure many of you know that they habitually process transactions to and from gambling sites, even though this is not allowed due to local legislation and even though this is a breach of Skrill's own ToS.

b) Misappropriation of player funds, fraud thru misleading statements and bankruptcy fraud is usually a criminal offense = illegal operation and If you read in the withdrawal threads here, you can see that Skrill habitually process deposits to such companies = breach of Skrill's own ToS.

c) I have never heard that they reported a criminal company to the relevant authorities, even then not when they stopped deposits to merchant accounts(e.g. Lock Poker) = breach of Skrill's own ToS.

Well, perhaps you could start limiting your Skrill feedback to replying to people who are actually talking about Skrill specifically, as opposed to derailing other threads with your anti-Skrill agenda.

Also, you might want to look up the meaning of "grave", as I've seen you use it a couple of times in ways that make no sense whatsoever.

I see it as a pro-player info in an attempt to get some of the money owed and in no way as a anti-Skrill agenda. The opposite is the case, if you have the choice between Neteller and Skrill, I recommend to use Skrill, as Neteller has no "we reserve the right to reverse the transaction" term and they also do not report illegal operations to the relevant enforcement agency.

Google use this word in the adjective form as a equivalent for serious, heavy, etc., but if this word has only one meaning, then google fooled me grave.

Your Skrill posts are non sequitur in nature, and they really have the feeling of a dude posting from his collection of sticky notes on his manifesto wall. If you think i am a pro-Skrill advocate I should let you know that I am from Canada where that service has not been available for quite sometime, without any real explanation that makes sense to date.

Put your stuff in a single Skrill related thread or create a blog in the blogging section here, otherwise your off topic posting habit (along with your silly user name) invalidate pretty much anything you say. Hope that advice helps, but generally zealots are incapable of digesting it, so I expect no change and your next post will be about Skrill and how they negatively impact digestion.

All the best.

P.S. Here is a thread where a dude posted 3 times in 3 minutes how he could not log into Skrill. Go help him out since you are all about "Player Protection."

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/28...krill-1587373/

I have called him out several times before when he was trying to collect user data. I guess not much has changed, his posts are still rather pointless.

Fact is:

Misappropriate deposits, not payout winnings, stating misleading payout time frames = criminal offenses = illegal. If a company habitually breach the criminal laws, then it is an illegal operation!

For those who say they have a valid gambling license and therefore operate legal, if you take a look at the license description, you will see that misappropriation and fraud is not included. If misappropriation and fraud would be included, Lock would have not lost their gambling license. Therefore, whether a gambling operation is legal or not, do not solely depend on having a valid gambling license.

Also, if you open a bank and have a license, but intentionally do not give customers' deposits back, you can be rest assured that your operation is illegal and it will be only a matter of time when the police will knock on your door.

Best regards

Here is how digestion works:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digestion


All the best.

I was mistaken. I have no idea who owns this skin and your funds may or may not be returned. Good luck.

Please provide proof of your claims?

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Kahn

Curaçao Commercial Register

I don't think Skrill will find the sites you claim are insolvent to actually be insolvent based on those 2 quoted paragraphs above.

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Kahn

A) I quoted the 2 paragraphs as a proof that misappropriation of player funds and or fraud is not covered by a gambling license.


B) What Skrill find or not is relatively irrelevant. The 3 key points are:

1) What is stated in the legally binding agreement.

2) Do Skrill fulfill the legally binding agreement.

3) If Skrill do not fulfill the legally binding agreement, what do the civil and criminal laws of England say, where Skrill Ltd. is incorporated.


When a gambling operator or any operator habitually unjustifiably withhold player funds, which is the criminal offense of misappropriation, then this company is an illegal operation.

To determine whether misappropriation occured or not, it does not play any role if the operator has the money somewhere or not. It is not have the money or not = misappropriation or not, it is to not give the money owed back within a timely manner = misappropriation.

Therefore, if Skrill find that as long as a company is not declared insolvent, it is not an illegal operation, this finding would be false.

I'm waiting to see the proof of misappropriation so that we can begin to go down your path towards defining one site or another an "illegal operation."

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Kahn

Quite a lot to digest.

If you are looking for juridical proof of the misappropriations, then you would need to contact those who have posted in one of the withdrawals thread that they are waiting since xy months for a pending withdrawal.

While this may have a point from a technical point of view, it would also result in the players shooting themselves into the own feet by admitting they are playing on sites that currently do not have any license to legally serve players from the US and facilitate their financial transactions.

Did you realise that Skrill is not available in the US for unlicensed gambling operators? Furthermore, Skrill say that they always comply with the law and the local legislation in the countries where it operates.

This is not the "Skrill only" thread, in fact the title says EuroClubPoker withdrawals. Nor do you have anything to do with player protection.

my cake poker account was transferred to euroclub poker because cake were not offering poker to uk players and then a week later I got this from euroclub poker lol.



Dear player,
It is with great regret that we announce that we will unable to facilitate real money poker play for our UK based players from today, January 27th. Our intention is to offer the service again in the very near future and will of course keep you updated on when our UK services are reopened.
For the moment, we have disabled access to our real money tables and tournaments. You will still be able to login to the software, access the cashier and request a withdrawal of funds if you wish to do so. As soon as we are able to open real money play again, we will disable these restrictions.
Our sincerest apologies for any inconvenience caused.
Should you have any questions please do not hesitate to contact the Euro Club Poker Support team at support@euroclubpoker.com
Sincerely,
Euro Club Poker


Has any UK player got their money from Euro club poker? My balance is showing as available but cant play or withdraw even though the mail says I can request a withdrawal. Mailed support several times over the last 2 months and got no response.

Bye bye funds

No response from support for 3 months now.

Hi all. I have issue with withdraws/cashout fro www.euroclubpoker.com 3 weeks I did not recieved my cashout (650.00 $) I recieved only one answer from support On 9th day.

"Thank you for your email. Unfortunately, there is little else we can tell you at this time. While we can guarantee that you will receive your funds however we just can't tell you exactly when.

Our apologies again for the inconveniences caused.



Please let us know if we can be of further assistance.

Kind Regards,

Jed

EuroClub Poker Support."

And that's all. The money is still pending. No answer, no explanation. Only "cancel pending cashout"

You can contact with Gambling Commission or use INFO@GAMBLINGCOMMISSION.GOV.UK

This is what the commission answer me about my issue:


Dear XXXXXXXX


Thank you for contacting the Gambling Commission (Commission) regarding Euro Club Poker (operating under Euro Club Poker).



From the details you have provided it appears that you are not located in Great Britain. We can only provide advice about complaints to customers physically located in Great Britain.

From the detail you have provided the regulator you should contact is:

Malta Gaming Authority
Suite 1, Level 3, TG Complex
Brewery Street
Mriehel, Birkirkara
BKR 3000
MALTA

Tel: +356 2546 9000
Fax: +356 2144 6950

Website: http://www.mga.org.mt/
Email: info@mga.org.mt


We are unable to advise or assist any further in this matter.



Your enquiry reference: 1-103206679



Yours sincerely



Laura



Laura Hazelwood



GAMBLING COMMISSION



Victoria Square House

Victoria Square

Birmingham B2 4BP

Tel: 0121 230 6666

Fax: 0121 230 6720

Tried the gambling comission but Euro club no longer have a licence and continue to ignore my mails.





Thank you for contacting the Gambling Commission with regard to an issue you have with Euroclub Poker Limited. Your correspondence indicates that you are having difficulty cashing out from your online account.

We see from your email that you have contacted the operator in an effort to withdraw your funds.

Please be aware that Euroclub Poker Limited ceased to hold an operating licence with the Commission in February 2016. It is not within our regulatory remit or powers to become involved with individual disputes and we cannot assist in obtaining money from operators.

You need to continue to contact the operator directly and ask for their reasons for not allowing you to withdraw your funds. If you do not agree with the reasons provided you need to follow Euro Club Poker’s internal complaints procedure. If you are not satisfied by the response of the operator, this may be escalated to their Alternative Dispute Resolution service (ADR), which is the Independent Betting Adjudicating Service (IBAS). You can find their contact details on their website http://www.ibas-uk.com/ .

We would advise that all gambling contracts made since 1 September 2007 are legally enforceable under the Gambling Act 2005.

If you remain unsatisfied with the decision of the ADR entity you have the option to refer the matter to the courts.

Thank you for contacting us, we hope this clarifies your query and the role of the Commission. Your correspondence reference number is 1-105513986.

Yours sincerely,

Licensing
GAMBLING COMMISSION
Victoria Square House
Victoria Square
Birmingham B2 4BP
Tel: 0121 230 6666
Fax: 0121 230 6720

EuroClub Poker actually claims that they are licensed by the Gambling Commission:
while the Gambling Commission states that the license is surrendered:

https://secure.gamblingcommission.go...ccountNo=39608