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07-31-2019 , 03:58 PM
Gipsyteam is just a poker forum like this one, it's perfectly safe.
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07-31-2019 , 05:28 PM
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Originally Posted by KyleReese
Video from gipsy thread of bot in use on PM:

https://forum.gipsyteam.ru/index.php...post&id=709845
Screen caps from vid:



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07-31-2019 , 07:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Josem
If someone claim that they had demonstrated sustainable nuclear fusion, provided no evidence of this, and as part of that claim, made claims that were inconsistent with Einstein's law of mass/energy conservation, then you could safely dismiss the more meaningful claim around fusion.
Is this the same Einstein that didn't believe in black holes or gravitational waves? I think we can safely dismiss his meaningful claims about physics. /derail
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08-01-2019 , 08:45 AM
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Originally Posted by Lozgod
I'm pretty familiar with the botting world. When I heard about it I looked in to it (to try to understand it out of curiosity not bot myself) but after seeing the technology and user feedback realized it is not as to be feared as believed. Most of the bots and their profiles were bad or exploitable.

Most of the bots you can find with a pretty thorough internet search will only beat the microstakes at a low winrate. You couldn't put a $400 bot/profile in a $200nl online 6 max game and expect it to be profitable. Good players would abuse it once they found out how to counter it's strategy which it can not make adjustments for because it is scripted.

The lists of bots and their winnings on poker rooms didn't make sense from what I found. Everything you are saying makes 100% complete sense. Anyone somewhat familiar with botting would agree with that as well I'd think.

It would require AI to make adjustments at a poker table but the problem is you can't mass produce and sell AI on a website for a cost most people could afford. I knew for all the botting claims to be true the rabbit hole had to be pretty deep. If everything you are saying is factual hooray for you. Good work.

What I have exemplified continuously throughout the forum, perhaps you said it better?
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08-01-2019 , 02:39 PM
Why couldn't they make them take it as a loan? Like how Uber and Lyft will buy you a car, but juice the **** out of driver.
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08-01-2019 , 06:55 PM
100% sure 888 + Chico + Ipoker just bots play at HU SNG and HU CASH maximum buyins.

Poker room operators are not interested in catching bots or unable to detect fraudsters.

People reported bots many times and nothing happened. There were complaints that reached the Gambling Commission. The Commission rejected the complaint.

Never play 888 + Chico + Ipoker!
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08-02-2019 , 01:18 AM
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Originally Posted by morilka


Can someone please translate this email? Depending on what it says, if it's making it more difficult for the botring, maybe other poker sites can use a similar approach.
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08-02-2019 , 02:56 AM
Wow, this claim is huge, a public company with 200+ employes cheating on all rooms using GTO solvers real time.

Now I understand why Party Poker is hiding all hand histories, BotFarm is probably working for Party Poker by now.
Go and play nl100 fast forward, there were around 100 players 2 days ago, more players than before the changes, complete nonsense, any legit player would have abandoned party poker by now considering there are no hand histories.

I have played somedays ago in that pool at nl100 fast forward and they did not make a single mistake I could observe for like 1k hands, they are clear GTO bots, probably this company working for Party Poker to give them liquidity, I woudn't be surprised, they are undetectable now without hand histories.
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08-02-2019 , 07:32 AM
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Originally Posted by hypergeometry
Wow, this claim is huge, a public company with 200+ employes cheating on all rooms using GTO solvers real time.

Now I understand why Party Poker is hiding all hand histories, BotFarm is probably working for Party Poker by now.
Go and play nl100 fast forward, there were around 100 players 2 days ago, more players than before the changes, complete nonsense, any legit player would have abandoned party poker by now considering there are no hand histories.

I have played somedays ago in that pool at nl100 fast forward and they did not make a single mistake I could observe for like 1k hands, they are clear GTO bots, probably this company working for Party Poker to give them liquidity, I woudn't be surprised, they are undetectable now without hand histories.
Can you share the screen names of these fast forward GTO bots?

Feel free to PM me if you don't want to out them publicly.
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08-02-2019 , 05:27 PM
I have absolutely no doubt that OP's claims are at least generally true. I don't really care if he doesn't understand what "hacking SSL" means.

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Originally Posted by ArtyMcFly
Are you absolutely sure that

Website: www.neolab.io
^ Russian site

is connected with

https://neopokerlab.com/

^ American company that used to make bots to enter the annual computer poker competition on a non-commercial academic basis.

The latter lists Chris Moneymaker as being on its Advisory board. I think it actually works as a consultancy for finding illegal AI players.
If a company exists solely to make bots for "academic" reasons, it is only a matter of time before that company, or somebody in it, realizes there is way, WAY more money to be made actually using that bot to play real money poker.
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08-03-2019 , 02:30 AM
They offer a social gaming poker product that they provide bot accounts for to increase the appearance of your room's traffic. Is it a stretch to think they've done this for bigger online poker rooms?
https://neopokerlab.com/white-label-poker

I also find their page on Poker Analytics quite interesting. I'd love to know what advice and suggestions they offer sites for dealing with "Sharks" and "Negative Players." I'm not sure what they could possibly suggest other than banning them, segregating them, making it a pain in the ass for them to cash out or sending bots to their tables make their games more difficult.
https://neopokerlab.com/poker-analytics
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08-03-2019 , 04:33 PM
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Originally Posted by MCAChiTown
They offer a social gaming poker product that they provide bot accounts for to increase the appearance of your room's traffic. Is it a stretch to think they've done this for bigger online poker rooms?
https://neopokerlab.com/white-label-poker

I also find their page on Poker Analytics quite interesting. I'd love to know what advice and suggestions they offer sites for dealing with "Sharks" and "Negative Players." I'm not sure what they could possibly suggest other than banning them, segregating them, making it a pain in the ass for them to cash out or sending bots to their tables make their games more difficult.
https://neopokerlab.com/poker-analytics
So the same guys running bot networks are also enthusiastic proponents of the '**** the pros' movement
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08-04-2019 , 09:42 AM
The community must organize, may chose a couple of representatives and decide about action that should be taken. Maybe contact the local authorities, or poker sites. But first, we must organize and finish the investigation.
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08-05-2019 , 04:56 AM
I want to play these bots, is there a downloadable version of the HUNLHE bot?
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08-05-2019 , 03:29 PM
Nice try bro
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08-05-2019 , 07:46 PM
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Originally Posted by pidda
I want to play these bots, is there a downloadable version of the HUNLHE bot?


+1
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08-06-2019 , 01:17 AM
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Originally Posted by pidda
I want to play these bots, is there a downloadable version of the HUNLHE bot?
Go to partypoker ff100 and play

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08-06-2019 , 01:45 AM
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Originally Posted by sigis123
Go to partypoker ff100 and play

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I think I will. Seriously doubt that they can beat me.

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08-06-2019 , 05:32 AM
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Originally Posted by hypergeometry
Wow, this claim is huge, a public company with 200+ employes cheating on all rooms using GTO solvers real time.

Now I understand why Party Poker is hiding all hand histories, BotFarm is probably working for Party Poker by now.
Go and play nl100 fast forward, there were around 100 players 2 days ago, more players than before the changes, complete nonsense, any legit player would have abandoned party poker by now considering there are no hand histories.

I have played somedays ago in that pool at nl100 fast forward and they did not make a single mistake I could observe for like 1k hands, they are clear GTO bots, probably this company working for Party Poker to give them liquidity, I woudn't be surprised, they are undetectable now without hand histories.
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Originally Posted by Lessu
Can you share the screen names of these fast forward GTO bots?

Feel free to PM me if you don't want to out them publicly.
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Originally Posted by sigis123
Go to partypoker ff100 and play

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Any news on the screen names for these bots?
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08-06-2019 , 12:26 PM
I've dug a little deeper and have to say I am not sold on this theory. Without using bot names there is a core group of botters on a private forum that can be found but not seen on a public botting forum and these botters have their **** together. They are the green berets of botting. While they don't have AI tied directly to their bots they can actively use HUD stats to make in game adjustments and they can cross reference and make adjustments using PIO off-table.

They state they could use PIO in game as far as functionality goes but the decision tree for PIO takes too long to act especially on the flop.

They also get together and form botting rings and the bots can share hole card info as well amongst each other.

This is all from a bot that is under $200. Joe Schmoe with breakeven or 3bb/100 win rate poker play and no coding ability would have to use a market profile which is probably going to be a worse poker player than he is. So these winning bots a few but they exist.

Not to say what OP is saying is impossible I am just saying that much effort may not be needed to make this botting stuff make sense.
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08-06-2019 , 09:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Lessu
Any news on the screen names for these bots?
No news, I quit this site already and I am not going back there anymore, unless they make some changes with the hand histories.

Last time I have played there it looked to me that everyone in that pool were GTO bots, as I have stated in my previous post, I did not see a single mistake from anyone in 1k hands.

I would not be able to provide any proof though, PartyPoker made sure it's not possible to track anybody anymore, so why do you care so much Lessu, Party Poker is a bot heaven now, only bots play there, seems like you're worried about being caught?
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08-07-2019 , 03:42 AM
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Originally Posted by hypergeometry
No news, I quit this site already and I am not going back there anymore, unless they make some changes with the hand histories.

Last time I have played there it looked to me that everyone in that pool were GTO bots, as I have stated in my previous post, I did not see a single mistake from anyone in 1k hands.

I would not be able to provide any proof though, PartyPoker made sure it's not possible to track anybody anymore, so why do you care so much Lessu, Party Poker is a bot heaven now, only bots play there, seems like you're worried about being caught?
I'm not worried. I play with this same screen name on stars for example.

If you take a look at the partypoker thread or the couple of threads below, you can find a lot of posts by me trying to out bots.

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/2...015-a-1554591/
https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/2...-view-1474198/

Based on the PR below, I wouldn't call party a bot heaven.

partypoker confirms 277 ‘bot’ account closures and $734,852.15 in redistributed funds between December 2018 and March 2019
partypoker confirms 94 bot account closures in April 2019; $143,908.10 and €34,546.17 seized
partypoker closes 42 bot accounts throughout May 2019 in latest bot crackdown
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08-07-2019 , 03:43 AM
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Originally Posted by hypergeometry
seems like you're worried about being caught?
No, it seems nothing like that. WTF are you even thinking?
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08-07-2019 , 11:44 AM
"PartyPoker made sure it's not possible to track anybody anymore"

It's so they can fill the site with their own bots.
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08-07-2019 , 11:49 AM
You seriously believe in these articles?

They banned the bots and they are all back at nl100 ff, there are more players now than before the changes, how do you explain that?

Anyway, why do you care, there is no way to track this site, we can't prove anything.


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Originally Posted by Bobo Fett
No, it seems nothing like that. WTF are you even thinking?
for a second I had the impression this guy is a BotFarm insider and he's trying to gather information to make his bots undetectable but I think my paranoia went too far here
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