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Old 07-17-2016, 01:12 AM   #1
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Confessions of a Botter (ACR/WPN) [July 2016]

I have decided to retire from botting and focus my energy on something more meaningful. I have carefully timed this post after steadily withdrawing all funds from ACR. I hope to shed some light on the current economy of botting and to help people understand the relationship between botting and poker sites. Over the past 6 months, my bot has played 500k+ hands on ACR mostly at 50-100NL. With various promos and bonuses factored in, it has generated around $30k of profit. I can't give much more details on results because, despite the fact that I don't have any money tied up in the network, WPN still has all my personal information and I would prefer to remain anonymous.

Currently, there are quite a few viable solutions for prospective botters to help connect the bot engine to the poker room. **** and **** accomplish the task well, but they have some technical limitations; **** is a open-source project that is better for custom-building a bot for a specific system and poker room. Plug-n-play systems generally require minimal technical expertise whereas **** and similar frameworks will require intermediate programming experience. In general, bots in 2016 all come equipped (or can be equipped) with stealth technology that will remove any overt indications of the software running during a session; they will generally show up as some nondescript process running in the background on task manager.

Finding or building a bot is the easy part. The more time consuming endeavor is getting the bot to play well. Plug-n-play bots generally come preloaded with profiles that--at best--are capable of playing slightly winning poker at the lowest limits or freerolls. There are forums and marketplaces where a botter can buy better profiles, but these can't play very profitably above 10NL on most sites. The best solution is to write your own profile. This used to be the barrier to botting a couple of years ago but with the proliferation of PPL (or oPPL), it now takes only a couple of hours to learn the syntax of coding your bot profile. Making it play exceptionally well is still extremely time-consuming and it requires a lot of trial runs and hand history reviews. For me, it took me about a week to write a profile that played well enough to beat 10NL and about a month of reworking that profile to beat 50nl at a solid clip. Over the course of the next few months, I steadily improved the bot's performance based on manual review of hand histories and results.

If you construct a good bot, it is impossible for other players to suspect the bot. For example, in addition to the stealth, my bot would randomly sit out and take breaks every couple of hours, never played for more than 6 hours at a time, frequently switched tables and joined waiting lists (with the aid of a hopper software), misclicked every so often, typed short comments in the chatbox on rare occasions, and had randomness built into the playing profile. It wouldn't always play the same hand the same way, wouldn't always play a missed flop the same way, wouldn't always valuebet the same amount, etc., and would use the half-pot/2/3 pot instead of typing in weird bet amounts. Around month 3 is when the bot really took off, after I worked tirelessly to integrate a Poker Tracker database with the bot profile. Depending on VPIP, aggression, cbet%, fold to cbet%, etc., and overall results of a particular opponent, the bot had close to 15 different 'branches' of play. It would play a nit much differently than it would a lag, a fish differently than a rock. It would exploit players based on tendencies: e.g. those who folds to 3bets too often, those who 3bet light OOP, those who folded to positional cbets unless they had top pair+, etc.

50nl was the bread and butter, and 100nl was profitable to a smaller degree. I never attempted 200nl because the reg pool thins out a bit and the overall better caliber of players made me hesitant to throw a bot in there: 1) because it would take constant reconfiguration to adjust to the regs adjusting to the bot, and 2) because the small pool of better regs might discover the bot's existence much faster. I was happy sticking to the lower levels, because for me, it was more about the technical challenge of the project, not necessarily the money.

I would suspect that probably 10-15% of the players on ACR 50nl and below are bots. Most probably run ****ty bot profiles, some are probably part of a larger bot ring (these are mostly operated by eastern and northern Europeans) that share hand information during the course of play (i.e. colluding bots). The single-operator bots (mostly US operators) that are good will be good enough in both play and acting 'human-like' to avoid any suspicions. In general WPN and Bovada don't mind bots. As long as the bot isn't the target of multiple complaints from a whole bunch of players, both sites are pretty bot-friendly. Bots pay good, steady rake and seldom complain about anything on the site.

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Old 07-17-2016, 03:10 AM   #2
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Re: Confessions of a Botter (ACR/WPN)

Very interesting read. I can't say I'm suprised. Did you use this in mtt as well or strictly 6max I'm assuming?
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Old 07-17-2016, 03:12 AM   #3
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Re: Confessions of a Botter (ACR/WPN)

I would imagine that after the PLO bots were found on PS that there have to be super high level NL bots playing as well. Interesting/scary stuff
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Old 07-17-2016, 03:34 AM   #4
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WPN "security" couldn't care less
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Old 07-17-2016, 03:59 AM   #5
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BOTS ARE GOD
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Old 07-17-2016, 05:27 AM   #6
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Re: Confessions of a Botter (ACR/WPN)

Why have you retired, given that you have already put in the time building your bot to a condition in which in can turn a decent profit? Why not just let it run for several hours a day, without investing further time and effort improving it? I understand it was more about the challenge than the money, but I'm sure you were still motivated by the money in part. Or is it somehow the case that it's not really possible to be a passive bot operator, and that it is always time-consuming to some extent?
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Old 07-17-2016, 06:14 AM   #7
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Why have you retired, given that you have already put in the time building your bot to a condition in which in can turn a decent profit? Why not just let it run for several hours a day, without investing further time and effort improving it? I understand it was more about the challenge than the money, but I'm sure you were still motivated by the money in part. Or is it somehow the case that it's not really possible to be a passive bot operator, and that it is always time-consuming to some extent?
He saw the Lord. He sold the bot for about Tree Fiddy,put it in the plate at mass on Independence Day.
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Old 07-17-2016, 06:19 AM   #8
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I would imagine that after the PLO bots were found on PS that there have to be super high level NL bots playing as well. Interesting/scary stuff
It's been going on for quite a while,despite denials from sites,Stars especially,but we long suspected that didn't we but lacked solid proof.

Since Amayas' t/over they have managed to murder Stars by their own greed/hand!
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Old 07-17-2016, 06:30 AM   #9
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So why did you stop if you made a 30k profit ? I am not sure I believe this story. Most botters only go break even.
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Old 07-17-2016, 06:45 AM   #10
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How do you know that? Did you run unsuccesfull botfarm? Allmost every ring of bots I have red here at 2+2 have been profitable.
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Old 07-17-2016, 07:12 AM   #11
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So why did you stop if you made a 30k profit ? I am not sure I believe this story. Most botters only go break even.
Hummm, do a bit more research friend, the modern bots are highly profitable and slowly making there way into midstakes. OP, I mean, thx for the transparency and all, but you do realize that bots are killing online poker moreso than Black Friday did... Killed the ecosystem exponentially more than scripters and colluders... If you do decide to reactivate that bot of yours, I do hope you get caught...
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Old 07-17-2016, 07:23 AM   #12
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Re: Confessions of a Botter (ACR/WPN)

are you going to donate the money to charity then?
Maybe Gamblers anonymous?
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Old 07-17-2016, 07:31 AM   #13
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put this in nvg?
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Old 07-17-2016, 09:07 AM   #14
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are you going to donate the money to charity then?
Maybe Gamblers anonymous?
Why would he? Guy says he made sure to withdraw balance before posting, wants to remain anon and doesn't express much remorse. Probally doesn't plan on running a bot again, but seems to want to keep the option open. Can't really blame him, seems like an insane potential money maker, although not without putting in some hard work.

Scummy AF and just makes online poker look bad in the eyes of recs, especially in unregulated markets. Bad for everybody but I'm probally just jelley I know I'd never be able to program a bot, let alone a winning bot complete with sophisticated anti-bot detecting system in place.

Ffs man i hope all the time and energy you put into cheating players outta money results in years of personal arrested development leading to failure in your next endeavor which leaves you broke and forced to run ur bot again. Then, ideally, your bot would run supper hot, amass a decent amount of cash quickly, enough that it gives u a glimmer of hope, a light at the end of the tunnel, then BOOM! Account gets locked, banned and its GG as you cashed 0 out. Rinse and repeat for every account u attempt to run one on again. In a perfect world.

There's obviously a community of people who enjoy creating good bots as a hobby with no intention of running them on sites. People are into all sorts of weird **** these days. I wonder if there would be any interest in a user created bot only poker room. Math nerds being allowed to let their bots battle it out for real money, since bot vs bot only might be legal in US? Who knows I'm stoned and tired and shouldn't have clicked "reply" in the first place. Lol at the people who wasted their time reading this nonsense
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Old 07-17-2016, 09:16 AM   #15
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Re: Confessions of a Botter (ACR/WPN)

*yawn*

1 post, not outing yourself, and giving up $30k because ??? Needless to say, nobody should believe you.
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Old 07-17-2016, 09:18 AM   #16
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I have decided to retire from botting and focus my energy on something more meaningful.
The very first sentence of the OP is a confusing piece of the puzzle.

The whole idea of botting is that the bots do all the work, right? What "energy" are wanting to focus on something else? You put in the initial work to tune the bot and then just sit back and let it play, right? So you're retiring from having your computer turned on. Gotcha.

Why would a botter generate $30k in 6 months and suddenly have this epiphany / call it quits? Not to mention make a thread about it? (I hope you used a proxy to post this, bruh.)

I'm taking this thread with a grain of salt.
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Old 07-17-2016, 10:32 AM   #17
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yeah no time and energy needed once you get it to the point where it wins lol
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Old 07-17-2016, 11:38 AM   #18
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*yawn*

1 post, not outing yourself, and giving up $30k because ??? Needless to say, nobody should believe you.
Right this is his story:

I decided to buy a bot to cheat the game because I'm a cheater. I spent my time and effort learning to program said bot to cheat and win after trail and error figured out how to get it to make 30k in 6 months time. Once my hard work paid off rather then sit around reaping my 60k a year plus extra money if I improve my bot more I decided to retire. Now I'm here posting this and ratting myself out rather then giving away/selling/profiting with my bot with my first 2+2 posts.

Uh huh
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Old 07-17-2016, 12:13 PM   #19
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We dont believe you, you need more people.
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Old 07-17-2016, 12:48 PM   #20
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OP seemed pretty beleivable to me. There is a lot of questions surounding bots. Would be nice to have someone to actually answer those.
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Old 07-17-2016, 01:04 PM   #21
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Why the hell did my post get deleted. People posting other garbage in here. The dude doesnt even give us his name or anything. If you really give a damn. Give back the 30k to a good cause or the players cause you cheated. If this isnt a troll.
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Old 07-17-2016, 01:31 PM   #22
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OP seemed pretty beleivable to me. There is a lot of questions surounding bots. Would be nice to have someone to actually answer those.
+1.

There's so much misinformation out there that I'd like to hear more truths even if the source has helped harm online poker. The fact is people like OP are going to be the only honest answers for us since operators try to minimize the problem and claim they have all the answers for the problems.
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Old 07-17-2016, 01:49 PM   #23
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I don't get why people don't want to believe this. Pretty scary ****. Doesn't surprise me at all. Was kind of eye opening seeing people playing pokerstars on their phones at live tables in Vegas.. People are crafty.
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Old 07-17-2016, 01:57 PM   #24
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Re: Confessions of a Botter (ACR/WPN)

I'll attempt to answer some of the questions.
*Please note that my OP has been edited by a mod so as to censor the software stacks for botting so I assume that I cannot go into too much technical detail.*

I think a lot of people are surprised as to why would a profitable botter would quit? The surprise is based on an underestimation of exactly how much work it takes to maintain a successful bot. It's not a "set it and forget it" system. I have to check through the hand histories every day after a session to make sure the bot didn't display any major leaks, that it didn't do something weird, had to check connection logs to make sure there were no unusual downtimes. Even after the bot was profitable, I would notice and subsequently correct small bugs. Poker is a game where there are too many 'unusual' possible situations to code for all them before-the-fact. It's an endeavor of constant re-writes, additions, and modifications of a ever-expanding body of code. I had both the time and passion to put in the hard work during graduate school. However, I am beginning a more lucrative career this September and it's just not worth it to me to have to come home to put in a second shift of having to stare at a computer screen for hours.

To be honest, my original plan was just to do it as a proof-of-concept; I sort of stayed on for a few extra months just out of greed I guess. I think I am happy with how things turned out and I am happy to quit while ahead to start the next phase of my life. For some time i debated selling off the profile code to interested parties but have since decided against it.

The second most common sentiment seems to be about whether I feel guilty or not. The answer to that is a resounding NO. I suppose I don't consider myself a cheater. I didn't share any hand-histories or real-time data and I was not part of a bot ring. I probably put in more hours studying sessions, opponents, and general gameplay than 90% of profitable players. Botting is easy, botting well is not. It's not as if the bot suddenly turned me into a winning poker player. I was a good cash game reg before (on a different site) and a big part of the reason why I was able to construct a good profile was because I was a solid player with close to 2M hands of 6-max playing experience.

The last undercurrent that I want to touch on is why I would bother writing this thread. I had actually planned to do this thread when I first started looking into botting. I told myself that if I was able to do it successfully, I would one day make a post detailing the experience. It's sort of my "I outsmarted the sites and beat the game on a whole new level" brag. Unlike regular players, a botter can't go into the 6max forums and start posting graphs or subtle-bragging about their results. It's months of unappreciated work and staying off of people's radar. This is the first, and probably only time, I can talk about the successful completion of a project that I put a lot of time and effort into, and one with results I am quite proud of.
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Old 07-17-2016, 02:05 PM   #25
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Can you post screenshots of your bot interface or code?
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