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Old 05-24-2010, 08:30 PM   #1
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Chinese DON Collusion Ring on Stars?

[Edit/MH: See "Time Line" thread.

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[Edit/MH: See also similar post to OP's by wenpk15888: https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...&postcount=808]

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My ID Jane1023 was in the first place of sharkscope leaderboard in Double and Nothing game in Jan this year.PS locked my account nearly 4 months and finally closed my account with 10000$.They did this without any hard evidence like any hands.Here is the email between me and PS.

Hello,

We apologize for the severe delay in responding to you about your pending case. Your account, along with many others, has been thoroughly reviewed, and the long delay was due to several factors, including the numbers of players that we reviewed. Many of these players did not respond, and many who did respond were not honest in their responses.

The review of your account and your play is complete. We have come to the conclusion that you worked with others as a team to the detriment of other players while playing at the tables.

The integrity of our games is critical to the success of PokerStars. Based on our findings, we have decided that your account will remain closed. The funds in your account will be used to compensate those players that were harmed by your actions. Such action is not taken lightly. My findings went to a review board made up of other poker specialists who, after looking at the evidence, agree that such action is appropriate.

This conclusion is based on a careful review of your play with all cards exposed. In reviewing hands it is clear that you routinely made team plays to create situations where you were supposed to benefit. You and your friends routinely played four and five players deep, and squeezed the blinds between two or more cooperating players. After reviewing several hands, for several players, it became obvious that this was part of some kind of agreed-upon strategy.

As stated on our website, "Poker is an individual (not a team) game. Any action or chat intended to help another player is unethical and is prohibited".

Unfair play cannot be tolerated on PokerStars. The funds remaining in your account will be used to reimburse players affected by unfair play.

You are barred from future play at PokerStars.

Do not attempt to open another account or play using someone else's account. Any account you use is subject to being closed without notice.

Regards,

Dan M.
Supervisor
PokerStars Game Security


Hello Xia,

Thank you for your email and apologies in any delay in our response to you.

I can assure you that the department in charge of handling such matters is
in possession of your email and will respond to you as soon as possible.
Unfortunately we cannot give you a guaranteed time for this response as all
emails are placed in a queue in order to be fair to our players.

Thank you for your patience and co-operation regarding this matter, it is
very much appreciated.

Regards,

Timmo
PokerStars Support Team




----- Original Message -----
From: xfy5822@yahoo.cn
Sent: 2010/05/06 11:13:03
To: support@pokerstars.com
Subject: 回复: PokerStars Support - Forwarded to Case Manager

> That's your way to treat a winner player in the first place of
Double&Nothing leaderboard? Locked my account nearly three month without any
hard evidence? I guess I have to let as many people know all about this as
I can.
>
>
>--- 10年4月24日,周六, PokerStars Support <support@pokerstars.com> 写道:
>
>
>发件人: PokerStars Support <support@pokerstars.com>
>主题: PokerStars Support - Forwarded to Case Manager
>收件人: xfy5822@yahoo.cn
>日期: 2010年4月24日,周六,下午3:25
>
>
>Hello Feng Yu,
>
>We have forwarded your email directly to the Poker Specialist handling your
>case. They will review your email and respond to you as soon as possible.
>
>Your patience is appreciated.
>
>Regards,
>
>Rinders P
>PokerStars Support Team
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: xfy5822@yahoo.cn
>Sent: 2010/04/24 03:20:22
>To: support@pokerstars.com
>Subject: 回复: PokerStars Support - Your Account
>
>>Hello
>>
>> You guys had locked down my account more than two month.Give me
>some real reason like a few hands to prove I deserve that. I always has high
>respect for your site but it would gone if this thing going any more longer.
>>
>>best regards
>>
>>--- 10年3月25日,周四, PokerStars Support <support@pokerstars.com> 写道:
>>
>>
>>发件人: PokerStars Support <support@pokerstars.com>
>>主题: PokerStars Support - Your Account
>>收件人: xfy5822@yahoo.cn
>>日期: 2010年3月25日,周四,上午12:54
>>
>>
>>Hello Xia,
>>
>>Thank you for your email. I sincerely apologize for the delay in
>>responding regarding your account. Please be assured that we are
>>working diligently on your case to determine a resolution and
>>once we have done so, I will notify you immediately.
>>
>>Thank you for your continued patience in this matter.
>>
>>Regards,
>>
>>Larry
>>PokerStars Support Team
>>
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: xfy5822@yahoo.cn
>>Sent: 2010/03/22 21:17:25
>>To: support@pokerstars.com
>>Subject: =?utf-8?B?
>>5Zue5aSN77yaIFBva2VyU3RhcnMgU3VwcG9ydCAtIEFjY291 bnQgQXNzaXN0?= =?
>>utf-8?B?YW5jZSAoZm9yd2FyZGVkKQ==?=
>>
>>>Hello
>>>
>>>My account has been frozen more than a month,I don't know what
>>had happened. I've been playing by the rules in the game all the
>>time.Please do this thing as quickly as you can. because every
>>day is very important to me.
>>>
>>>
>>>best regards.
>>> Jane
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>--- 10年2月19日,周五, PokerStars Support
>><support@pokerstars.com> 写道:
>>>
>>>
>>>发件人: PokerStars Support <support@pokerstars.com>
>>>主题: PokerStars Support - Account Assistance (forwarded)
>>>收件人: xfy5822@yahoo.cn
>>>日期: 2010年2月19日,周五,下午10:23
>>>
>>>
>>>Hello Jane,
>>>
>>>Thank you for your email and for your explanation.
>>>
>>>We have forwarded your email to the team responsible for
>>handling this
>>>issue. You will receive a reply as soon as possible.
>>>
>>>Your patience is highly appreciated.
>>>
>>>Regards,
>>>
>>>Lyubima
>>>PokerStars Support Team
>>>
>>>
>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>From: xfy5822@yahoo.cn
>>>Sent: 2010/02/19 09:20:20
>>>To: support@pokerstars.com
>>>Subject: 回复: PokerStars: Your Account (Response Requested)
>>>
>>>>Hi Larry
>>>>
>>>> I do not know anyone of them in real life.I am
>>trying to reach one
>>>million VPP points in this year.So eveyday is very important to
>>me.Please do
>>>this thing as quickly as you can.
>>>>
>>>>best regards.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Jane
>>>>
>>>>--- 10年2月19日,周五, PokerStarsSupport
>><support@pokerstars.com> 写道:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>发件人: PokerStarsSupport <support@pokerstars.com>
>>>>主题: PokerStars: Your Account (Response Requested)
>>>>收件人: xfy5822@yahoo.cn
>>>>日期: 2010年2月19日,周五,上午5:14
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Hello Xia,
>>>>
>>>>Based on a routine review of your account which indicated
>>unusual play
>>>>patterns, we have started a more in depth review of your
>>account and
>>>>play. At this point we must ask that you provide us with some
>>>>information that will help us to resolve this issue.
>>>>
>>>>Please explain in detail your relationship, if any, to the
>>players:
>>>>
>>>>renhe88
>>>>Xiah.G
>>>>wzhongz
>>>>MNBQWE12
>>>>wzem618800
>>>>147222
>>>>chijianli
>>>>xiawenju
>>>>guiliang
>>>>Leaders668
>>>>Psnyls
>>>>yutian
>>>>golovorez777
>>>>hslj001
>>>>maomao1832
>>>>wenpk15888
>>>>coroinpu
>>>>pakerster
>>>>yutian
>>>>linyin
>>>>yangguangze
>>>>rara999
>>>>cjwqq
>>>>DCBM288
>>>>phy188002
>>>>liuli888
>>>>jinse888
>>>>wudiyg
>>>>ellena054
>>>>Xuanyu.L
>>>>chenxr
>>>>flypretty
>>>>nayouyi
>>>>hzlsl
>>>>Gucci53
>>>>Jessica318
>>>>Lazzzzzzy
>>>>Aladin888
>>>>strong arm A
>>>>Degreexia
>>>>suckfirst
>>>>skystory
>>>>microsoft25
>>>>wenpk15888
>>>>freetime1955
>>>>xxwpk168
>>>>
>>>>Your account privileges have been suspended pending the outcome
>>of our
>>>>review. Please respond fully and completely within 48 hours.
>>Your
>>>>cooperation will help to bring the matter to a close
>>promptly.
>>>>
>>>>Regards,
>>>>
>>>>Larry
>>>>PokerStars Support Team

Last edited by Mike Haven; 07-01-2010 at 09:17 AM.
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Old 05-24-2010, 08:34 PM   #2
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Re: That's the way PS treating a winning player

Cliffs:
Seems very likely that OP is a DON colluder on Stars.
Stars has closed his account and confiscated his funds.

WP Stars IMO
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Old 05-24-2010, 08:34 PM   #3
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Why does stars address you by different names in the different e-mails?

Quote:
Hello Xia,
Quote:
Hello Feng Yu,
Quote:
Hello Jane,
Do you have any familiarity with the players that were listed? Do you know them in any way at all?


FWIW - Your attitude and response makes you look pretty guilty in this and I'm inclined to believe that Stars was correct in their accusations. But I'm willing to give you the benefit of the doubt and allow you to explain yourself further. There have been situations on here where I initially thought one way and have been convinced otherwise by a poster's arguments if they were convincing enough or backed by evidence.

Anyway, I'm not on sharkscope so can't look up your results. Maybe somebody else can. If you could provide some of the bubble HH's with some of the players you are accused of cheating with than that might be helpful to your case (see...I'm really trying to help you show that you really didn't do as stars claims you did)
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Old 05-24-2010, 08:37 PM   #4
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Re: That's the way PS treating a winning player

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Originally Posted by Jane1023 View Post
>>>>Please explain in detail your relationship, if any, to the
>>players:
>>>>
>>>>renhe88
>>>>Xiah.G
>>>>wzhongz
>>>>MNBQWE12
>>>>wzem618800
>>>>147222
>>>>chijianli
>>>>xiawenju
>>>>guiliang
>>>>Leaders668
>>>>Psnyls
>>>>yutian
>>>>golovorez777
>>>>hslj001
>>>>maomao1832
>>>>wenpk15888
>>>>coroinpu
>>>>pakerster
>>>>yutian
>>>>linyin
>>>>yangguangze
>>>>rara999
>>>>cjwqq
>>>>DCBM288
>>>>phy188002
>>>>liuli888
>>>>jinse888
>>>>wudiyg
>>>>ellena054
>>>>Xuanyu.L
>>>>chenxr
>>>>flypretty
>>>>nayouyi
>>>>hzlsl
>>>>Gucci53
>>>>Jessica318
>>>>Lazzzzzzy
>>>>Aladin888
>>>>strong arm A
>>>>Degreexia
>>>>suckfirst
>>>>skystory
>>>>microsoft25
>>>>wenpk15888
>>>>freetime1955
>>>>xxwpk168
Wow, sick number of players involved?

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Old 05-24-2010, 08:37 PM   #5
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My first name is Feng Yu and my last name is Xia.Jane is my english name.
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Old 05-24-2010, 08:38 PM   #6
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So they refer to you as all three of those things in different e-mails? That just seems strange to me but I guess it's possible.

I edited my above post to ask a couple more Q's. Just mentioning that to make sure you see it.
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Old 05-24-2010, 08:46 PM   #7
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That was my point: they didn't give me any hands that can prove my bad.
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Old 05-24-2010, 08:47 PM   #8
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Jane - But you can provide examples of your own, can't you? You should be able to find hands that you played with any of these players.

have you ever played with any of these players before. Do you know any of the players they mentioned? (either in real life or just from the internet).

Please attempt to find one or two hands involving any of these players that you suspect MIGHT have been the hands that Stars had an issue with. Right now the ball is in your court and you can try to show a bubble hand in there and then argue why your play was not as dirty as Stars is claiming. You can at least get started in this direction.

Just one or two hands with any of the individuals they names. It should not be difficult for you to find.
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Old 05-24-2010, 08:54 PM   #9
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You always know many regular players in Sit and Go games.That means I know their dates.Maybe I treat them a liittle bit better than nomal player.But that is the way you play Double and Nothing game.
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Old 05-24-2010, 08:56 PM   #10
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When someone said you are guilty in poker .Someone should provided hands evidence.Then I can explain those hands.
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Old 05-24-2010, 08:58 PM   #11
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You always know many regular players in Sit and Go games.That means I know their dates.Maybe I treat them a liittle bit better than nomal player.But that is the way you play Double and Nothing game.

You seem to be dodging the question.

And your statement "maybe I treat them a little bit better" strikes me as incredibly suspicious. Again though, I'm willing to give you the benefit of the doubt there. Perhaps a language barrier thing perhaps and you just meant to say that you respect the raises of the better players more than the newer ones (or something like that).

I will ask you again on the off-chance that you really aren't trying to dodge the question: Do you personally know any of the people that Stars named? Do you know any of them in real life? Do you know any of them from outside PokerStars? Are any of them from the same hometown or region as you? Are any of them from the same country as you?

These are very simple questions which you should be able to answer.

Were all of you banned from Stars on the same day? Or did all the bans come in waves (and on different days)?

I also note that you have not even addressed my request for you to provide just one hand history.

I'm also curious why you waited so long to post about this when Stars was taking so long. Did you request any hand histories from Stars at all at any point?
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When someone said you are guilty in poker .Someone should provided hands evidence.Then I can explain those hands.

Find any hand that you played with any of these opponents please and post it. And we can go from there.
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Old 05-24-2010, 09:00 PM   #13
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Jane what was your ROI in dons?
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Old 05-24-2010, 09:01 PM   #14
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Weren't there all sorts of allegations about collusion among players from China?
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Old 05-24-2010, 09:07 PM   #15
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Ya finally got busted huh? Well it's about time. I sent about 25 emails in complaining about you ****ing clowns. There is no question you would soft play and that's at the very least of what you guys did.

You know you're guilty so why the **** would you even start this thread? Some kind of weird attention seeking?

Oh btw thanks for the $343 refund! Ya dumb ****
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reload4me - Would you be able to provide us with a HH or two of one of their more egregious collusion incidents? If you sent in that many e-mails about them then I'm guessing some of them included specific HH's.

jane doesn't seem interested in digging up any HH's right now. Would be interested to see since you and Stars seem pretty convinced it was a pretty clear cut deal (although if it was THAT clear cut I'm not sure why they waited 4 mths to lay the hammer down)
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Old 05-24-2010, 09:14 PM   #17
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Ya finally got busted huh? Well it's about time. I sent about 25 emails in complaining about you ****ing clowns. There is no question you would soft play and that's at the very least of what you guys did.

You know you're guilty so why the **** would you even start this thread? Some kind of weird attention seeking?

Oh btw thanks for the $343 refund! Ya dumb ****
You should go into politics.
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Old 05-24-2010, 09:16 PM   #18
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LOL Ill see what I can do. Dont be too shocked at what you find. How it took them so long is way beyond me. The squeeze plays was outrageous especially when they got caught.

example..raise by cheat...reraise by non cheat...reraise by 2nd cheat....1st cheat pushes...2nd non cheat calls with AK...2nd cheat calls with 73.

This is when they would get caught...1st cheat would have 54...2nd cheat would have 73..LOL
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Old 05-24-2010, 09:17 PM   #19
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Feng Yu Xia? I've never had Stars ever send me an email with only my last name in the salutation. Being that Xia is one of the most common Chinese female first names, I'm calling BS. I realize it's also a last name too, but they only addressed you by your first name once? Sure that's not one of the 50 players you collude with? The Jane part I can understand since it's part of your screen name.

Now can you tell me why Asians always pick terrible English names? Like every time I go to a casino the Asians are named, Frank, Dick, Jane, Hank... never a current common name like Micheal or Chris. Always names of people that would be like 60+ years old, but they are 28. I don't know, maybe it's just that it's too unbelievable. Like I know this Laos girl that had a long first name and she just shortened it down to Tu. Seemed like a good compromise.

As for the cheating stuff... move to Full Tilt and stop cheating. That would be my suggestion.
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rofl thats because he was emailing them under different email accounts.

OP you are ****ing retarded
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You seem to be dodging the question.

And your statement "maybe I treat them a little bit better" strikes me as incredibly suspicious. Again though, I'm willing to give you the benefit of the doubt there. Perhaps a language barrier thing perhaps and you just meant to say that you respect the raises of the better players more than the newer ones (or something like that).

I will ask you again on the off-chance that you really aren't trying to dodge the question: Do you personally know any of the people that Stars named? Do you know any of them in real life? Do you know any of them from outside PokerStars? Are any of them from the same hometown or region as you? Are any of them from the same country as you?

These are very simple questions which you should be able to answer.

Were all of you banned from Stars on the same day? Or did all the bans come in waves (and on different days)?

I also note that you have not even addressed my request for you to provide just one hand history.

I'm also curious why you waited so long to post about this when Stars was taking so long. Did you request any hand histories from Stars at all at any point?

When you playing DN games.No one intends to challenge chip leader.So chip leader is often getting bigger and bigger.When you are chip leader,you can call a all-in from a short stack and it will not harm you.It is totally up to you .Sometimes you many call a new player with very bad hands when you are not very happy.But you should not do this to a regular player since they will revenge you at other table in opposite condition.

I did heard about many people start to play in PS in my hometown.I did not know any of them in real life of the list.And that is another important point of me:Some of them trully cheating ,some of them did not.But it should be decided by hard evidence. And I am bad about computer so I did not know how to find my hands history.But I am very sure I fight with some of them very often in the table.
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They're not giving you specific hand examples because that's like saying "when you do [x], we know you're cheating, so try and accomplish the same thing in a different way."

The fact that it looks like they shut down 25-30 accounts for playing 4 or 5 seats in a DON means they're pretty sure you were cheating.

I'm sure someone with a SS account could look you up pretty quickly and find names you've played with where your combined ROIs are waaaay higher than in games you played without them.
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Old 05-24-2010, 09:22 PM   #23
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LOL ya except like 4-5 of you morons would team up against people ALL THE TIME on different tables.

This is goddamn hilarious you created this thread. What a shill....

Ill look for HH over the next few days and show everyone exactly what you did. I wonder why you arent offering them up yourself....lol I know exactly why.
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And I am bad about computer so I did not know how to find my hands history.But I am very sure I fight with some of them very often in the table.
BS. You're great at computers to use 50 accounts to cheat with at the same time - masking IPs, MACs etc.

Could you have use Xia in more of the screen names?
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Old 05-24-2010, 09:26 PM   #25
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When you playing DN games.No one intends to challenge chip leader.So chip leader is often getting bigger and bigger.When you are chip leader,you can call a all-in from a short stack and it will not harm you.It is totally up to you .Sometimes you many call a new player with very bad hands when you are not very happy.But you should not do this to a regular player since they will revenge you at other table in opposite condition.


You do not need to explain DON strategy on here. You aren't going to say anything that the rest of us don't already understand.

Are you sure your e-mails back and forth that you showed weren't a situation of you e-mailing them from different accounts?

So you don't know a single one of the players referenced in that first e-mail...yet some of them were from your same hometown? Seems a bit strange to me. What is your hometown or region? Do you remember some of the names on that list that were from this town?
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