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Old 04-06-2018, 07:09 PM   #51
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Re: Bovada/Bodog Superuser / cheating?

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What questions? More like attacks hoping I get emotional and call you a colorful metaphor.
No, there were no attacks. If anything in this post appears to be aimed at getting you emotional, I think that says more about me than about you:

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Here ya go. If this isn't a HUD that lets you play perfectly vs an opponent I don't know what is. This is more advanced than what I was shown years ago.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oK0HgOJnO8E
You've responded to my remark "Speaks about HUDs as though they have mystical powers that everyone isn't aware of" by doing that very thing. I (and many people here) am very aware of that software which was advertised on this site for years.

But I don't understand the relevance to this thread, because:

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I am quite aware of limited HUDs that's why I like anonymous sites.
If you're aware that anonymous play means that software is hugely crippled on Ignition, why do you keep going back to HUDs in this thread?

In case you're not aware of the limitations, in spite of your claims - anonymous play means that other players can't track you across tables and sessions, so all the fancy stats you see in that video are going to be pretty much useless. It would take a session of several hours for opponents to have a meaningful sample of many situations (and much longer for some others), aside from basic stats like VPIP, PFR, etc.

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Probability for one person is variance. The chance 3 people have the same rare occurrence is a multiple factor each. So if there is a 1/1000% chance of experiencing what I have yea I call it variance despite the weird coincidences. When 3 players who are good players have the same experience that is too weird for me.
The first couple of sentences of this paragraph read like gibberish to me. As for the latter part - if you posted anything that showed 3 good players experiencing 1/1000% events (I assume that means 0.001%?), I must have missed it.

What you posted was that, a few days ago, it was just variance. Then after a 1,000 hand sample, things were much more suspicious in your mind. And then the following day: "Too many coincidences for me man. And it happened to two other good players I know".

What would be helpful for everyone is if you could expand on those last two sentences of yours I just quoted and explain more about the 0.001% experiences that three of you have had.
Just because you've taken this exchange personally doesn't mean there was anything personal about it. It seems you're very emotionally invested in this, and that's causing you to interpret things differently than they are intended. Much differently.

Typically when a message is received much differently than it was intended, it's the sender of the message that should be taking a look at how they delivered it, but in this case I have no idea why you're seeing some kind of personal attack here. Especially so much so that you send me PMs months apart with no reference to the previous ones, I guess expecting I've just been waiting for the next one and will instantly remember who you are and what you're talking about, and then bringing my name into this thread that has absolutely nothing to do with me, as if I've been just waiting for your next post to pounce on.
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Old 04-16-2018, 10:28 AM   #52
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Re: Bovada/Bodog Superuser / cheating?

Hi. I obviously cant say for sure, but in my opinion, something was very fishy as of late. I cant go into detail without having the numbers in front of me, but I just went on a 5/10 10/20 grind on bovada and was rather disgusted at the calls and runouts. In my opinion it felt like superuser play along with bots. Very weird sporadic calling and runouts. I was getting called by hands that had seemingly no chance. I got called down with K high for almost 600. What was even weirder was the interction between the other players. Checking down huge pots between other players and honestly very weird behavior. Also super action flops. 010 v JJ v KK v AA, it seemed suspect to me. I was holding off playing a lot of hands, really picking my spots. I also dont whine about bad beats, but this one was particularly bad. I only played for 3 days, about 5 hours a day, and experienced drawouts and one outs that would be spread over months of playing.

I went on a bit of a ramble, but I agree, in my opinion, the behavior on the 5/10 10/20 tables was very bizarre, yet rewarding for people who had giant stacks, just felting everyone. In my opinion an investigation needs to be done on bovada poker.
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Old 04-16-2018, 02:36 PM   #53
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Re: Bovada/Bodog Superuser / cheating?

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Hi. I obviously cant say for sure, but in my opinion, something was very fishy as of late. I cant go into detail without having the numbers in front of me, but I just went on a 5/10 10/20 grind on bovada and was rather disgusted at the calls and runouts. In my opinion it felt like superuser play along with bots. Very weird sporadic calling and runouts. I was getting called by hands that had seemingly no chance. I got called down with K high for almost 600. What was even weirder was the interction between the other players. Checking down huge pots between other players and honestly very weird behavior. Also super action flops. 010 v JJ v KK v AA, it seemed suspect to me. I was holding off playing a lot of hands, really picking my spots. I also dont whine about bad beats, but this one was particularly bad. I only played for 3 days, about 5 hours a day, and experienced drawouts and one outs that would be spread over months of playing.

I went on a bit of a ramble, but I agree, in my opinion, the behavior on the 5/10 10/20 tables was very bizarre, yet rewarding for people who had giant stacks, just felting everyone. In my opinion an investigation needs to be done on bovada poker.
No offense, but it is very hard to take your word for it. You just created your account today and that is your very first post unsurprisingly in this thread calling people cheaters with absolute no proof to back it up. Bodog/Bovada/Ignition/Call-it-what-you-will has been paying out winners for years. But hey, cool story bro.
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Old 04-16-2018, 02:57 PM   #54
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Re: Bovada/Bodog Superuser / cheating?

People play like this in my live home game every day for around the same stakes. Some people are well-off and like to gamble.
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Old 04-16-2018, 04:28 PM   #55
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In my opinion an investigation needs to be done on bovada poker.
As someone else said your first post here and no real evidence included its gonna be hard for people to take your side. Did you go through the hand histories of when you played, and not just the hands you were in since all cards are exposed? What did ya see there? Last but not least did you report any of this to them?
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Old 04-16-2018, 05:11 PM   #56
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Re: Bovada/Bodog Superuser / cheating?

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Hi. I obviously cant say for sure, but in my opinion, something was very fishy as of late. I cant go into detail without having the numbers in front of me, but I just went on a 5/10 10/20 grind on bovada and was rather disgusted at the calls and runouts. In my opinion it felt like superuser play along with bots. Very weird sporadic calling and runouts. I was getting called by hands that had seemingly no chance. I got called down with K high for almost 600. What was even weirder was the interction between the other players. Checking down huge pots between other players and honestly very weird behavior. Also super action flops. 010 v JJ v KK v AA, it seemed suspect to me. I was holding off playing a lot of hands, really picking my spots. I also dont whine about bad beats, but this one was particularly bad. I only played for 3 days, about 5 hours a day, and experienced drawouts and one outs that would be spread over months of playing.

I went on a bit of a ramble, but I agree, in my opinion, the behavior on the 5/10 10/20 tables was very bizarre, yet rewarding for people who had giant stacks, just felting everyone. In my opinion an investigation needs to be done on bovada poker.
I very rarely call people's beliefs and/or theories bull**** from the get-go - I usually ask if they have any evidence. But in this case, I'm definitely calling bull**** on this post as a whole. You've mentioned both super users and bots, and then additionally describe behaviour indicative of collusion and a rigged RNG. All in one session. Bull****.

By which I mean, your post comes across like you don't really know what you're talking about, and once you got it in your head that something nefarious was going on, you viewed every hand as problematic in some way. You need to go back through that session with a more critical and open mind, and figure out what you really think is going on.
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Old 04-17-2018, 01:58 AM   #57
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Re: Bovada/Bodog Superuser / cheating?

Well first let me apologize for offending anyone for stating my opinion . And as for stating my opinion, it cannot be bull****, by definition. Its my opinion. I said I think they need an investigation. I think that is fair to say of any online gambling site. I said it feels like to me that something shady could be going on. Again, Im not sure how anyone, except myself, could speak to the validity of what I feel. But okay. And lastly, I liked all the ad hominem arguments. Haha, this guy with one post obviously cant be making any sense. He only has one post, and he started his account today. PFffffft obviously false.

I didnt mean to rustle any feathers, but the runouts did not feel right to me. I dont think you can jump down someones throat for expressing an opinion. And sorry, but again, its how I felt, not really arguable.

I play a lot of live poker and, and as we all know,beats are part of the game. But to me, it seemed to be happening a lot more. And it was a short session, not a million hands. They could absolutely be 100% genuine, but to me, it felt off.
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Old 04-17-2018, 02:57 AM   #58
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Re: Bovada/Bodog Superuser / cheating?

You didn't rustle any feathers, and I've reread the replies you got, twice, and have yet to find any ad hominems. No one's attacked you, just your post, and for good reason IMO.

Yes, yes, it's just "your opinion". And that's fine. But if you'd like anyone to take your opinion at all seriously, you need to be able to bring at least a little evidence to the table. Or you could answer some of the questions and/or address some of the criticisms of your post.

You've even admitted yourself in this latest post that it was a small sample size. Yet in that small sample size, you think you may have spotted super users, bots, collusion, and a rigged RNG. Try to take a step back and think how silly that's going to sound to an outside observer. You likely don't even have enough of a sample size to even reasonably suspect such things. But if you'd really like to move this forward, you might want to try some of the suggestions already made:

"Did you go through the hand histories of when you played, and not just the hands you were in since all cards are exposed? What did ya see there? Last but not least did you report any of this to them?"

"You need to go back through that session with a more critical and open mind, and figure out what you really think is going on."
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Old 04-17-2018, 07:08 AM   #59
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Cool Cool. I was just saying its what I felt. I can remove the comment. All good.
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Old 04-17-2018, 06:23 PM   #60
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Re: Bovada/Bodog Superuser / cheating?

Hi all. Funny this post came up. I, too, believe there is some kind of rigging of Bovada's algorithm in its software. I play a lot of NL MTT's and am a very winning player. However, I have been seeing a lot of suspicious hands such as this one way too frequently on its software. Yes, I realize bad beats and such happen but I know my math and the odds of these kinds of hands happening like this on a more than constant basis is just not mathematically possible.

This is just one of many examples of preflop play.

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Old 04-17-2018, 08:43 PM   #61
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Uh oh someone else who is unsure about the play. And a felow pats fan I see. Upvote.
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Old 04-17-2018, 10:29 PM   #62
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Since apparently we're voting on things, my vote is that this nonsense be moved into the riggie thread.
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Old 04-17-2018, 11:01 PM   #63
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Since apparently we're voting on things, my vote is that this nonsense be moved into the riggie thread.
Should we have polls before the primary vote. Just to make it interesting.
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Old 04-18-2018, 12:48 AM   #64
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This thread was created to address an ongoing issue with cheating on Bovada and to investigate superuser possibilities.

I have posted my findings in the bovada regulars thread but as many have suggestion, It would be better to have this discussion here.

my original post:

I'd like to report a suspicious superuser-like behaviour at NLHE 5-10NL and 10-20NL
tables.
I suspect that someone was able to get access to RNG and can predict runouts.
It may sound like a bad beat crying post, I am only putting this out to see if there are
any other high stakes regs who have had same suspicion and can provide some information or hands.

Player's tendncies:
stats: 85-55 with 20-25 3bet
Plays daily between 10pm and 1am PST
in chat types ZZZZZZZZZZZZ and sends smiles every other hand
Gets it in behind most of the time and doesn't lose, almost like he can predict runouts.






Please post suspicios hands and findings, I`d like to collect as much data as possible and send it to bovada. I have also observed many other hands but don't have them recorded.
It almost seems like someone got an access or exploiting their RNG servers and is able to predict outcome of the hand. Player in question was not trying to hide it a month ago and was doing it very openly where now he seems to be more cautious.
I have 10 years of poker experience with last 3-4 years playing highstakes 1K+ and I can very well tell when it's a recreational player or someone who is folding 10 hands in a row just to stack off with 84o preflop and hit a boat.

There will be those on this forum saying that this happens to everyone and it's just a downswing, I only want to catch attention of those regs who also feel cheated and who think that last few months someone strange has been going on.
The only suspicious hand I see is the 84 hand. By the way you seem to be playing against the said opponents indicates they are a crazy donk lag type, so the other hands don't appear suspect at all based on that type of player.
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Old 04-18-2018, 01:06 AM   #65
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Since apparently we're voting on things, my vote is that this nonsense be moved into the riggie thread.
Good suggestions, but I'll do you one better (I think).

Since OP hasn't bothered to return since he created this thread, and it's now just become a magnet for posts that don't belong here, time to lock it up.

If OP wants to post anything further about this, he's welcome to PM one of the mods to open it back up. Those of you who want to bring forward your rigging anecdotes, we have a huge thread in this forum for that. If one of you actually has substantial and meaningful evidence of rigging, superusing, botting, etc., start a new thread.
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