^Yeah, it’s just capturing (scrapping) images from the screen, displaying them in a GUI and performing some OCR on the image, and then displaying what it interprets those images to be. It’s unlikely to be any advanced type of bot(!) and rather just something very basic (or at least the very early stages of a bigger project.) You can tell this because there’s no reason to display the images or the result of the OCR unless it’s being used as a diagnostic tool (to examine the accuracy of the OCR element) in the early development stages of a project.

I’ve been concerned about the AI element in poker for a LONG time, and it’s a big worry. However this video in particular is nothing to get alarmed about!

Is somebody was playing against twopandas yesterday around 7:25 pm (CEST)
I'm use to play against VictoriaMo but just had a few games against him.
He had a deconnection and came back with some weird sizings, idk if he does that normally.

apperantly winamax still doesn't care. its pretty unreal. twopandas,ggwpsir,victoriamo, and mr.playboy all have similar stats preflop. extremely close stats all 4 have the same vpips preflop, the same fold frequencies, the same iso frequencies, the same barrel frequencys, the same raise vs barrel frequencies, very similar donk frequencies. they neve rplay against each other, its unreal . I understand living in the same poker house is not against TOS which I'm fine with. however twopandas has been known for botting for over a year now. and if vicmo and the rest all live in the same poker house, its very suspicious. its no fair to the other regs. that those 4 are huge cheaters. and winamax doesn't give a damn

they should live screen the 4 regs and have them explain there thought process for a long time, without the livecam they are grinding 8 tables for about 6-8 hours a day. over 250 games every single day which is pretty hard to do. no one can 8 table and achieve that high a winrate. its close to impossible, however the same 4 winners come from the same poker house. and all have similar stats. and 3 of them were terrible before. 2saintpandas aka mrplayboy was garbage 6 months ago. now all of a sudden hes an 8table machine.

Shanky tech is all over botting on all these sites................................

A few things:

In future, when posting something like this, I'd suggest putting the quote within quote tags, so it's more clear that they aren't your words - I almost banned you for spamming until I realized what you were doing. I've fixed it for you now.

Don't include the links - we don't want to advertise bots.

Just because the bot advertiser says their bot works well/is tolerated on any given site doesn't mean that it actually is - they're trying to sell a product. That's not to say the list isn't important; just that it should be viewed with that in mind.

Every poker site has bots.

If its just a warbot, I dont care. I can outplay human made bots. But if they are being fed by GTO solutions or based on a neural network, its worrying.


So whats the best thing to do vs them? Im also player there, although lower.

What if we all write together, and request that suspicions human play must be proven by video proof. Seeing him playing that fast and similar style is impossible.

Should i write them an email? Maybe just write me PM with telegram , and we can discuss in private.

I've sent several emails, without having heard anything from their fraud team.

twopandas is not in the challenge since the 7th of may, where he played only 2 games.
VictoriaMo connected yesterday around 10am like every morning. Played 4 games then stoped.

Maybe they barred twopandas the 7th and Victoria yesterday.
Or maybe twopandas went to the SISMIX/holidays and VictoriaMo just didn't felt like grinding yesterday.
Haven't seen MiloYianno since the 11th too.

Wait and see.

twopandas and Victoria mo played a ton past 2 days, winamax doesn't care. its very easy to distinguish whos a bot, how about u watch them play a number of hands and you see how much there winrate dips , especialy 3 handed when there being watched or recorded on a webcame. twopandas has one of the highest winrates in 3 handed form the button., winamax doesn't care. I know 3 regs that submitted emails. its obvious twopandas,victoriamo, ggwpsir and mrplayboy are all botting. they are all still grinding daily on tlb's .

theres times I hope because I see maybe they took a day or 2 off. but if its not twopandas botting away. its his 3-4 horses. victoriamo, ggwpsir, mrplayboy. they all 6-8 table. and play perfect poker from the button 3 handed which is a spot where you pick up insane ev if your botting. also they all do dumb gto plays vs fish.

in around 5 hours twopandas grinded 230 games basically averaging over 40 games an hour and taking no breaks, 8-9 tabling and playing at an extremely high level. seems fair winamax. usualy other regs the more tables they play the more there ev suffers. but not twopandas he can 9 table and still achieve an extremely high winrate.

In the morning, so he probably doesn't even have his 6 tables running.



In the afternoon he was deco on a 6x (1500€) for like 4 minutes, still playing the 500 € like nothing was happening.
Lmaof if he doesn't play in pile. I guess Winamax's not working well from Bali.
Or he's playing his 6 Winamax tables in pile to be able to play on Party aswell. Shout out to moneyflowowow.

Hello everybody!) I play poker for money, not for publicity, therefore use to often read forum posts but not found time to write something. But recently, I have had an unpleasant incident which I can't ignore and keep silence of. First of all, confrontation with bots in poker rooms - this is great, but what to do if you are not a bot and can prove it but you don't want to listen. My bankroll was banned recently on Winamax, I sent a video verification of my playing together with my ID, and then my account was permanently locked due to reason of using forbidden software. I was not given any chances to acquit myself. This issue I have decided to bring to the attention of the public and get justice from the poker room. I have opened an account in another poker room and going to stream better part of my playing. I will spread it on twitch and send every session to winamax that they make sure that I get winnings without any software.

The sites don't ban people for no reason. I'd say you may have been using forbidden software. I'm not Sherlock Holmes but I'm the next best thing.

I showed on video that no software running on my PC, just Holdem Manager. How do you think I get information from "forbidden" software?) For that reason I decided to record stream to display that I do not use any software like you said.

Sounds like they believed you used a bot and you showed them that you play with your bot software off, and they saw that the play was different than your usual play.

Here are 10 songs about robots. Send them a video of you singing them and that might help the situation.

https://lockergnome.com/2011/11/19/t...-about-robots/

All the best.

You used to play around 2k games week after week ofcourse thats no evidence but if even winamax found some prohibited software there must be some truth to it.

@gelermodt4
What were you playing, what was your SN ?

GL if you actually don't deserve it.
Serves you right if you do.

Hi all.

Solid post about bots crushing expressos on Winamax : https://www.clubpoker.net/forum-poke...t-sur-winamax/

Cliffs :

- Two of the most winning accounts on Winamax spins are bots (99.9% sure)
- They win about 150k€ / month each
- Winamax has been told about this problem by a lot of players for the last 2 years
- Winamax has not responded to the thread yet

Hi,

what about to conctact ARJEL (regulator) and explain the acutal situations with bots directly to them? They should do something about it, or dont?

The thread on Club Poker is getting a LOT of attention.
A Winamax representative just replied here.

TL;DR: They have been allegedly keeping an eye on them for a long time. They don't exclude anymore that they might have been fooled by the recorded sessions Twopandas and VictoriaMo once sent them. They invited the two players to do a session from their HQ in Paris and suspended their accounts until then.

the saddest part is ggwpsirbai who's a bot as well won the million about 2 weeks ago. unfair to the reg dark knight who was in the milly also. i played thousands of games vs twopandas,victoriamo,miloyianno,2saintpandas, ggwpsirbai, the saddest part was i even emailed winamax about possibly investigating in a more accurate way and they didnt email me once. they said they investigated twopandas and victoriamo and mrplayboy before and said they play the same way when there were being watched via webcam.

wtfff

how about making them play the same amount of tables they play when they are not on the webcam and how about looking at there winrates and see how much it drops by.

twopandas winrate 3 handed was insane. he played more than 8 tables and he was making gto plays even against fish. that i saw beyond ******ed.

obviously he didnt take every gto line vs me but he always took the 1st or 2nd best line vs me.

i doubt i will ever get a refund from winamax. they cost me so much money. playing against bots. my winrate 3 handed dropped significantly whenever i was in a game with mr.playboy, victoriamo ggwpsirbai or twopandas.

Hi there. Played winamax a lot in 2016-2107 in 50s-100s. Also against those players. Guess I got stolen too.

It would be nice if someone from the french community can tell us what is happening. Also if someone from Winamax can write in this thread and tell us if they are going to give back the money and what's their policy in these cases. I read first post but of the clubpoker thread but of course I don't speak french and google translator is not as a good as I would want to be.

I won't play in winamax again knowing this and it would be nice that people start talking **** about the site if they don't come up with a totally refund policy from their pockets. Also willing to hear about their security team against these kind of frauds, it seems to be non existent since these players were leaders every week in winnings and volume since some years ago.