We might aswell continue to explain this case here it might get more recognition.
Original Srkpop post:
"Hi everyone, this is my first post on this topic. First of all, I have been on this network for almost 10 years, probably the most loyal player for a last couple of years, and I genuinely love their software, which I believe has regular RNG. I don't know where to start, but literally all players are currently aware that the current situation on the site is alarming. This has been going on for a while, but no one has obviously understood the seriousness of all this. The first report of suspicious activity occurred about a year ago by a player who backed it up with evidence, he received a reply after a few months (the manager's answer is in the evidence file) and nothing was done about it at the time. At the time, a program like Poker Wingman was listed, which is supposedly legal ... of course with all the evidence below, such a possibility is definitely out of the question. At first, the bots only attacked nl100 and nl200 tables, but lately with the increase in profits, so have the demands, from which they moved to nl400, then nl600 and nl1k in the last month. In other words, the bots felt superior to regular players and took the site 24/7 literally. It's easy for this post to be seen by the owner of all accounts, but since I received a negative response from support, I had no choice but to ask the other players what they thought of the case.
Absolutely all the accounts listed below have these things in common:
1. It is not possible to find one regular session between any of the two players listed. Although they are obviously very profitable, they have never actually played each other (definitely a rake problem)
2. In the event that they want to open a new table, they often fold an abnormal number of pre-flop hands.
3. In case they are left alone on the table after 6max game, then the interplay continues for only a few minutes (absolutely never longer than that) until the operator stops the game.
4. All orders have the same preflop bug, more precisely:
- Too large% fold on constant min 3bet in HU games.
- In HU they call 10x preflop open with small pairs, suit cards, Axoff, connectors.
- A bug where every player at 7-10x preflop open has a minimum 3bet, and not infrequently throws at min 4bet in such situations, where you will agree that no professional and certainly profitable poker player would make such a double mistake.
5. All orders are registered through the Vip-grinders site.
6. Zero hands played at 8max tables.
In all this evidence, one can clearly see the presence of artificial intelligence that does not notice when someone is playing not typically, and thus reveals that we are playing against a bot.
Although I submitted all of the evidence below to Intertops about ten days ago, noting that they block all accounts before the money is withdrawed, as you can see, everyone is still active. Personally, I think the evidence is so strong that without access to the complete database, this case could be resolved within two hours. The total profit of this group is at a free estimate of 200-300k.
I want to hear the opinions of experts and other players regarding this huge case.
All files are uploaded to google drive:
https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/2.../index376.html "(you can find the google drive link in the original post)
A few addition from me:
I've been playing on Intertops/Juicystakes low/midstakes for several years. And I can confirm everything in srkipop's post.
Also i would like to add a few observation about this "players":
- None of the listed "players" seems to care about position. They are randomly joining 2/3 handed games not sitting on the recreational players left. Needless to say how unlikely a nl200/400 regular not sitting on the empty "jesus" seat.
- Occassionally auto top-up not working on the site for a few hours, during this times none of this players top-up manually.
- All of the nl100-400 bots started open sitting nl600 and later nl1000 on the same day.
- They seems to be playing in shifts. 2-3 of them being active at the same time, one of them goes offline within 0-10min other bot starts to open sit/joining tables.
(just a few little thing to backup the hard evidence already posted)
All of this bots have a 5-15bb/100 winrate, "they" are participating in multiple rake races so its not like they are there to keep a low traffic network alive but to take a large amount of money out of the system. And this going on for years now.