I started playing on Intertops recently and noticed a lot of similarities from a group of players, including in HU play or 6 max. I've acquired a decent amount of hands at this point and wanted to post here.


All hands filtered to 4+ players at table


Player A: 5,286 hands 31.9/22.9/9.16 3B/61.3 cbet%

Player B: 5,526 hands 31.6/23.3/10.1 3B/56.8 cbet%

Player C: 2,938 hands 32.9/23.2/9.42 3B/61.4 cbet%

Player D: 5,805 hands 30.5/21.0/7.71 3B/61.6 cbet%

Player E: 2,099 hands 30.8/21.9/9.21 3B/63.9 cbet %



Heads Up

Player A: 1,278 hands 73.3/59.8/15.9 3B/64.5 cbet %

Player B: 934 hands 76.1/61.4/14.5 3B/69.1 cbet %

Player C: 1,372 hands 75.5/63.4/14.8/60.8 cbet%

Player D: 1,197 hands 72.5/60.8/16.3/61.3 cbet%

Player E: 667 hands 76.5/64.2/16.4/ 60 cbet%


I'm guessing most of the HU numbers would stabilize if I played more hands vs them; the most telling thing is that they all play a vastly similar style in regards to sizing and post flop play-I have similar notes on all 5 of them. Maybe they are all just playing an optimal game, but I can't remember ever seeing any of them play HU or 3 handed together.


Any other stats worth looking at?


ETA:I think the stats are dissimilar enough to say "not bots", but the style of play plus the stats being fairly close had me wondering

Flame away, NVG!!

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/.../intertops-poker-official-support-promotions-thread

I play on Intertops nearly daily, and it's pretty blatantly obvious a few of the "regs" there are bots - and I'm talking about at 200NL+

that's what I've been playing as well chazley-Im guessing our names would line up. would you care to pm me who you are thinking?

Hello!

Playing on Itops for a few years nl100+, got a pretty big DB. can you pm me the names so i can look into their stats. Looking at how small the playerpool is Im really curious.(can think of only 3 maybe 4 reg matching your description)

Hi can you please name the screennames of the players you're talking about?

My screename there is HowardL. Play a lot of. 5/1 and 1/2 NL and PLO. If you played there last few months and those limits we've probably encountered eachother. It does seem like some of the regs are bots. The play there just feels off from standard play.

guys I'm curious about:

alwaysslucking/santasfriend/aarondonixxx and to a lesser extent solareclipse

i play there a lot but i try to stay away from 1/2 or higher its all forgeiners and most likely bots

solareclipse is the first name pops up to my mind 2. One thing is bugging me how did he manage to have such low fold vs bet out of position when he checks back on the flop and faces turn bet in BTN vs BB situations.


(guess from some time picture not gonna be valid but it says 36%) NOONE unless u play nl2k+ on stars has this stat soooo low, and its even weird to have it so low when player pool is tight in betting out of position. u can filter all other guys, i ensure most has it higher than 50.

basically all lines like cc/4b are not played by the human,

so far for 1.5 year playing there, 3 players where suspected: Solareclipse, SantasFriend, Sirpir.

And interesting thing happened 3-4 months, I changed strat and ONLY Santas and Sirpir adjusted to it at the same time, fact is fact. I always suspected that they are friends or smt like that. And adjustment wasn't humanish either, NEVER seen this before, only when I play vs the best players on other sites, that's possible rarely. Adjustment was raising 2.5x (Txx-3xx disconnected) vs my 1/3 bet in 3bet pot.

About other player can't tell much as I didn't play this year much

- BossTrump!

The bots are pretty blatant on the site.

What about temptreS?

We might aswell continue to explain this case here it might get more recognition.

Original Srkpop post:
"Hi everyone, this is my first post on this topic. First of all, I have been on this network for almost 10 years, probably the most loyal player for a last couple of years, and I genuinely love their software, which I believe has regular RNG. I don't know where to start, but literally all players are currently aware that the current situation on the site is alarming. This has been going on for a while, but no one has obviously understood the seriousness of all this. The first report of suspicious activity occurred about a year ago by a player who backed it up with evidence, he received a reply after a few months (the manager's answer is in the evidence file) and nothing was done about it at the time. At the time, a program like Poker Wingman was listed, which is supposedly legal ... of course with all the evidence below, such a possibility is definitely out of the question. At first, the bots only attacked nl100 and nl200 tables, but lately with the increase in profits, so have the demands, from which they moved to nl400, then nl600 and nl1k in the last month. In other words, the bots felt superior to regular players and took the site 24/7 literally. It's easy for this post to be seen by the owner of all accounts, but since I received a negative response from support, I had no choice but to ask the other players what they thought of the case.
Absolutely all the accounts listed below have these things in common:
1. It is not possible to find one regular session between any of the two players listed. Although they are obviously very profitable, they have never actually played each other (definitely a rake problem)
2. In the event that they want to open a new table, they often fold an abnormal number of pre-flop hands.
3. In case they are left alone on the table after 6max game, then the interplay continues for only a few minutes (absolutely never longer than that) until the operator stops the game.
4. All orders have the same preflop bug, more precisely:
- Too large% fold on constant min 3bet in HU games.
- In HU they call 10x preflop open with small pairs, suit cards, Axoff, connectors.
- A bug where every player at 7-10x preflop open has a minimum 3bet, and not infrequently throws at min 4bet in such situations, where you will agree that no professional and certainly profitable poker player would make such a double mistake.
5. All orders are registered through the Vip-grinders site.
6. Zero hands played at 8max tables.

In all this evidence, one can clearly see the presence of artificial intelligence that does not notice when someone is playing not typically, and thus reveals that we are playing against a bot.

Although I submitted all of the evidence below to Intertops about ten days ago, noting that they block all accounts before the money is withdrawed, as you can see, everyone is still active. Personally, I think the evidence is so strong that without access to the complete database, this case could be resolved within two hours. The total profit of this group is at a free estimate of 200-300k.
I want to hear the opinions of experts and other players regarding this huge case.
All files are uploaded to google drive:
https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/2.../index376.html "(you can find the google drive link in the original post)


A few addition from me:

I've been playing on Intertops/Juicystakes low/midstakes for several years. And I can confirm everything in srkipop's post.
Also i would like to add a few observation about this "players":
- None of the listed "players" seems to care about position. They are randomly joining 2/3 handed games not sitting on the recreational players left. Needless to say how unlikely a nl200/400 regular not sitting on the empty "jesus" seat.
- Occassionally auto top-up not working on the site for a few hours, during this times none of this players top-up manually.
- All of the nl100-400 bots started open sitting nl600 and later nl1000 on the same day.
- They seems to be playing in shifts. 2-3 of them being active at the same time, one of them goes offline within 0-10min other bot starts to open sit/joining tables.
(just a few little thing to backup the hard evidence already posted)

All of this bots have a 5-15bb/100 winrate, "they" are participating in multiple rake races so its not like they are there to keep a low traffic network alive but to take a large amount of money out of the system. And this going on for years now.