Hi everyone!

My name is Alexander, I’ve been playing omaha for the last 6 years, the working limit is plo 1/2. On PS you might know me as Bagrovui, and as xBGx on GG.

I’ve played about 88k hands on GG on regular tables with a 1/2 plo limit recently. From the very beginning I was surprised by the large number of players from the CIS, particularly from Belarus. They have a pretty aggressive loose style.

I’ve been actively analyzing my game and trying to track the actions of the other players at the table lately. This is not always convenient because if there is a game I play 8-10 tables on average.

I’ve noticed that the players from Belarus take shifts playing. They play in the same style. It’s typical for them to play any draw of any aggressively through leads or bets and in spr call raise their leads or bets on flop. Thus, they postpone the game to the later streets. Having observed them, I realized that all of them play in the same aggressive style.

What’s more, in the vast majority of cases, they do not use RIT and "burn" the time available for making a decision about RIT completely. I suppose that these bots waste the time because they simply "do not know how" to press the select button, but if the operator plays, he sometimes manually selects RIT twice.

These bots sometimes crash due to some system malfunction. At that time they play crazy hands and leave all the tables right after that.

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I started writing down a list of the players from Belarus and was shocked. Within two days I counted 19 accounts taking shifts playing in the same style!

The bots play short 2-3-4 hours series and take shifts. Therefore, you can only actually notice how many of them there are by making a list.

Ninese - Bel
RulonOboev - Bel
Sylveon - Bel
Solitare - RF
jamalungma - Bel
U Aliashkouski - Bel
Vrubel - Bel
Dontmksmelaf - Bel
byebyeman - Bel
SlowKlick - Bel
Mopa - Bel
kashmar - Bel
Tixan - Bel
agent_pusikator - Bel
Profitr0ll - Bel
Gavanna - Bel
philanthr0pist - Bel
Zoombah - Bel
doubltrouble - Bel

I asked the regs from the conf I know but nobody knows these accounts personally! I began to search the web, but Google doesn’t show any results. There is also no information about them on gipsyteam. Except for one person, he played on the GG micro nl two years ago.

Can you imagine that these are just 19 nuggets who were born and reached plo200 simultaneously?

Also, these bots don’t play tournaments and don’t play on the leaderboard. Apparently, in order not to be noticed.

They have one more feature. In 3bet pots, you can often see the line like: bet - call raise on the wet board with an overpair and call push for the fund balance on the blank turn. Here are a couple of hands. These aren’t typical for ordinary players, so is this kind of sizing in this kind of a flop structure and a call raise. People prefer to go all in on flop, as there are only 20bb left in the stack.

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Yes, they almost always play sizing 2/3.

The bottom line is that at the moment, at least 16 bots are playing on gg with the following features:
1) They’re nonames (Regs don't know them. They don't have any social network accounts. They aren’t mentioned anywhere on the Internet).
2) They don’t play tournaments.
3) In 90% of the cases, they don’t use the RIT function (they completely waste the time available before making a decision).
4) They don’t answer in the chat.
5) They play on GG ONLY.
6) They use "not the standard sizing" but 2/3.
7) aggressive postflop and call raises with the postponing the action to turn.
8) They don’t play other disciplines including 5-cards.
9) They play in shifts! They play short 2-3-4 hours series.

10) They don't play on the leaderboard.

I ask all the regs who have any info or suspicions (although what kind of suspicions might be here with so many reasonable arguments) to report these players in the topic and text the support.

For amateur players, please also text the support and refrain from playing on GG until the bots are banned.

So far, the support replied that the investigation had begun 4 days ago, but the bots are still playing and their accounts haven’t even been frozen.

Just so that you understand, on average 2-3 bots play at each table!

Your points 1-9 could quite easily be used to describe any regular cash game player on all sorts of sites. Only 10 and that they are playing a moderately high level creates suspicion, although it could easily just be a team of players with similar training, rather than bots

Yeah this is just nonsense. Don't play those games but that's just ridiculous. to say. Allso no chat. Well I don't chat and have never chatted so am I a bot? Allso how do you know they don't play other sites? You know they can use a different screenname?

I'm a regular at these games as well and, although I didn't try to track all the information as OP did, I definitely think there are some fishy things going on.

Especially this part:

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1. What’s more, in the vast majority of cases, they do not use RIT and "burn" the time available for making a decision about RIT completely. I suppose that these bots waste the time because they simply "do not know how" to press the select button, but if the operator plays, he sometimes manually selects RIT twice.

2. These bots sometimes crash due to some system malfunction. At that time they play crazy hands and leave all the tables right after that.
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1. I started paying attention to number 1 and there is a pattern there. I can't say if it happens to all listed accounts, but for some of them, it does and it is all the time.

2. This is the worst of them. I myself observed that more than once. I actually reported those hands to GG support. And they always left the table after that. I have also seen it happen to other players. And it's not some random bad call or shove that we are talking about here, I've seen K-high calls on the river, on a A high flush board (on this particular hand, a canadian regular was "bluffing" with top pair + high blocker and got paid off. I specfically remember this hand because we chatted about it just after). And they always left after these.

So, although I can't say that all of them are bots, since I actually chatted with some of them (which doesn't prove their innocence either), I think there is something here.

Guys, I understand that each of my arguments can be criticized, but the totality of the facts in my opinion leads to an obvious conclusion.

Professional players really rarely chat because they play a lot of tables. But most of them have social connections with other players.
Understand now it is impossible to reach the level of plo200 without working together with other regulars .
NOTHING is known about these players!

Look at the lineups in the networks with a good security service (PS and Party) and show me 20 players from Belarus playing in shifts. They're gone!


Sorry for the bad English, I answer through the translator.

False. You can just study by yourself and use coaching sites. E i do believe there are several bots from eastern european countries (in all networks) but your logic is just flawed.

Guy, I understand perfectly well that in THEORY it is possible to reach the level of high limits on your own without training sites.
I think from the point of view of the average regular. Why are you writing here? Because here you can find information and communication.
Bots do not HAVE ANY ACCOUNTS on poker sites, there is no information about them AT ALL.

You understand that there are not so many regulars of "rare" disciplines. Look at PS the ZOOM omaha pool has been regularly played by the same people for YEARS.

Naturally, many of us, like me, communicate with each other in various conferences and forums. NO ONE knows about these bots!

How do you estimate the probability of TWENTY SELF-TAUGHT players from a single country entering a rare discipline from a VACUUM? Playing only on GG only on regular tables and their other features listed above?

Like I said I believe there are bots but your logic to prove them is dumb. Have a good day.

OK, let's say I have a momentary brain fart and sit at 200 PLO on GG, and call myself minskbasedcrusher420. How do you know I have no accounts elsewhere?

Man, you won't believe this, but I've been playing poker for 12 years. Of these, 6 or 7 years in Omaha. How do you think you can remember the players of your discipline in 7 years? Especially when the pool of players in Omaha plo1/2 people is 50 maximum. Most of the time I played on PS, but also in other rooms.
Where do you think the GG regs came from? Naturally with PS.

The Russian community is more friendly and socialized. Do you want to see how real regs grow in limits and communicate? See how many active diary beginners and regs average limits on the forum gipsitim.
These are real people, not 20 accounts playing in shifts.
https://forum.gipsyteam.ru/index.php?showforum=42

The best sites to play on are the ones that don't allow any eastern euros/russians. That's just the future of online poker. Get onto those sites and let the cheaters grind themselves to oblivion

Can you name a few of them? And isn't it circumvented with a VPN?

What has GG's response been?

Can you be more specific about their tendencies? Do you feel they are sharing hole cards with one another?

I don’t play on GG so I can’t add any personal experience for these games, but I’ve played a lot with bagrovui on stars and the stuff he’s compiled obviously warrants at least looking into further. Bag is a long time high volume reg, not some random person trying to find excuses to complain. If you’re not a high volume reg at these sort of games, or in these games specifically, I really think you should preface your opinion with these disclaimers and not just instantly dismiss it. It’s honestly tilting.

How complicated is it to understand that people do random stuff all the time and make no sense but the chance of 20 people doing the exact random thing is very different?

Hello,

I'm a reg on GG 100plo RNC, 'Heroesroses' is my screen name.
I was playing 100/200plo reg tables before this like 2/3 months ago and I too had suspicions about a number of these Belarus accounts on the reg tables. I reported a few of them through the client but there obviously all still playing.

I agree what all that the OP as stated about these accounts and there suspicious activity. They literally all played the same, hyper agro postflop, timing out on the RIT question, never chat even when I called them out at the table, weird sizings post and pre flop (that were only used by the Belarus accounts)....there was also other things that brought them to my attention that I can't remember atm.

I dont think all the Belarus accounts are bots but I think at least half on that list are.

I think this post by OP should be taken serious and I'm the 3rd reg who has played these games that have came and posted on this tread now. I also remember chatting to 200 reg 'NaturalDonk' at the table about there accounts and he too said he found them suspicious and called them out for botting.

anyway lets hope GG look further into these accounts and do something about them.

haha just realized NdGG is most likey NaturalDonk in regards to my above post

Go with your gut. Don’t listen to the noise of naysayers. They don’t out in the volume at your stakes and compile info like you did. Don’t give up!

Played with most of them. Fuenga here.

The 2/3rd sizing multiway is the give-away on all boards

Yep, that's me lol

Is pokerstars the only site that has come close to doing a decent job limiting bots and RTA?
Seems WPN and the rest of american n euro sites, flat out dont care n dont have the tools or intelligence to stop it. I guess more rake is better and this is a short term zero sum game for the majority of these sites.

Thank you for the support guys. I think our only chance is to constantly write to support, representatives of the room and cover this situation.
We need to make GG work and make life as difficult as possible for bots.
At the moment, there are two more accounts in the list. Now there are 21 of them!
Twenty-one unknown players from Belarus!

Spruti - Bel

Ductor - Bel

Party and 888 are trying to fight the bots. Unfortunately, this requires a lot of money.
At the moment, only on PS can you feel safe.
There are also a lot of bots in small networks.
GG work in circumvention of the laws of many countries, they do not even require account verification to withdraw funds.

I have same experience. Thank you for bringing this forward.

20(!!) accounts from Belarus playing the 100-500 limits on GG.
On Party, Stars etc the amount is like 5-6. This alone is very suspicious!

From the players on the list my experience playing 100-500 is there are so many identical patterns and similarities in the way most of the accounts play. Style of gameplay, bluffs too much, type of hands used to 3-bet and so on...
The main reason I have not said anything is that they tend to punt hard. Though, this could of cause be due to cardsharing.

From the points you listed I think there are a few to highlight in the "bot detection" area:

3) True, experienced the same. The only RIO.

5) As I wrote above. Party and Stars do not even have 10 regs from Belarus in total across plo100 to plo500.

6) The common 66% betsize tell. Most of the accounts use this approach in 3b pots.

7) Bet-calling using turn-information to improve equity (potential card sharing / knowing dead cards). I have seen this from basically all accounts in OP.

9) I have noticed as well. They rotate.

Other accounts you could add to the list are:
Fedexx
Bergamont
Chedelaete
NoGambl
celestea51
Dontmksmelaf
Triftrevel
doubltrouble
skuidward
hydroza

All players above are from Belarus.


Please mail GG Support and link to this!

I got refund last week from GG from someone breaking T&C

I noticed a lot less players from Belarus last 2-3 days, at least at the hours that I play.

Don't know if it was just coincidence or bias from my part though.