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PM's at least or call bodog plz. I miss the old days and if this last resort goes I'm really going to be frustrated by the fact that I have to move to Tijuana.

Yes you can PM me if you are scurred to call bodog

Agreed. There needs to be a sticky on this forum about not talking too much about these deposit/withdrawal methods, and who to go for to ask for information in private.

These posts always make me smile. I'm pretty sure investigators at the DOJ would never think to open a Bodog acct but instead rely on surfing internet poker forums to gain this extremely hard to come by info in order to enforce the "legally ambiguous" regulations. I mean it would be nearly impossible for them to set up an account with $1000 in it and withdraw funds whenever new options came up in the payout panel or contact customer service. Jack Bauer can stop nuclear terrorists all by himself, I would think Bodog would not be much of a match for the rest of the US Justice Dept.

you were almost funny. nice try though. we're not trying to protect bodog from the american government. the american government has certainly tried and failed to shut bodog down. but with every post in the forum, the people doing the rapid transfer service are more and more likely to pro actively shut down bodog's shell companies doing the payouts.

so stfu and go away

>> but with every post in the forum, the people doing the rapid transfer service are more and more likely to pro actively shut down bodog's shell companies doing the payouts.

LOL. If you had a clue, then this might be more fun.

First and foremost, please provide ANY evidence that payment processors, so called "shell companies", et al are or have been shuttered leading to Bodog being slow or not completing payouts in a timely fashion. I'll save you the research; there hasn't been any. All you are doing when you post this nonsensical drivel is acting as a mouthpiece for the corporation who has gone to bizarre lengths to explain why payouts are slow, why checks have bounced and why they cannot operate in a fashion similar to the industry leaders. Or maybe you actually celebrate Greek Orthodox Easter....

BTW, the law may be somewhat ambiguous about sending money to entities for the purpose of gambling but I believe most clear readings of the law would not put payouts into that category (evidenced by the fact all of the Neteller funds which were escrowed were eventually paid out). Stop playing amateur cop/lawyer/detective and start focusing the attention where it needs to be.

Why in blue $%^* are many payouts taking so long? And don't simply revert to "Rapid Transfer". I did 3 $2500 Moneygrams in the last two months and the first two took 9 days and the last one took 11.

my post wasn't talking about slow payouts at all. dont' know where you got that.

rapid transfer is also used for deposits. the only thing i was talking about is rapid transfer.

so you are saying that it's impossible that execs at the rapid transfer service (see how easy it is to omit the name? wow!) are not aware that their business is being used to provide deposits and payouts to an internet gambling site? and that they simply can't shut the accounts down but really want to?

so posts whining about the speed of payouts are more substantive than my previous post?

you are the first person I've seen on the forum who's waited more than 24 hours after their payout was approved for the money to hit moneygram. i might not be looking hard enough. but my original posts about outing the rapid transfer are still valid, please refute those.

No they are not but OK.

>>the people doing the rapid transfer service are more and more likely to pro actively shut down bodog's shell companies doing the payouts.

Why?

First of all, explain "shell company". This whole surreptitious feeling being enhanced by folks posting on public forums is not helping, has not helped and will not help the future for online poker. Guys like Bodog have engaged the two major money transfer companies; WU and MG. It is likely that certain individuals in other countries have offered their service for accepting/sending these monies and it may even be possible some of these are actually employed by guys like Bodog/Full Tilt/Pokerstars, et al. So what? Financial transaction investigators could find out about them just as easily as any other joe and are certainly not spending their time monitoring internet forums. Money transfer services have seemingly found their niche here and are being used widely and without major hassle and the reason is not because the mice are not twittering about it. The reason is that the DOJ has not released guidelines to financial institutions pertaining to enforcement of the UIGEA and has not been aggressive in tackling this issue since passage.

The reason I brought up speed of payouts is because that is what 90% of the posts in this thread pertain to. Bodog frankly has sucked for some time on paying players and this thread evidences that. Providing clear info to players about quicker/more responsive methods should be not only our goal but theirs as well. Sneaking around like thieves in the night does not assist in this and contrary to the "common wisdom" here, has not caused us to lose options as far as we know. If Bodog has lost a payment processor because of fear of legality, they have not offered that info to the public. Instead they have offered dopey rationales which should only raise suspicion and concern.

Bodog has also recently changed its ownership structure in regards to the poker room so tying it to the sportsbook should seemingly became a non issue now and further make the rationale to hide in the shadows disappear.

Next thing people will be arguing it is all of this discussion of payouts which is killing the site so don't talk about it at all.

Also logistics is the other reason the money transfer services will continue unabated.

All folks at Bodog need do is put an ad in the local paper for folks to work as couriers; the only thing necessary is an address/ID. The Bodog rep then takes today's "employee" down to MG and initiates 100 transfers under the name Juan Pablo Escobar. Tomorrow they hire a new guy and initiate using Ricardo Montalban, Monday its Julio Caesar Chavez and on Tuesday its Charo.

Same thing can occur in reverse. Trying to close it down would be like playing a giant ongoing game of guack a mole. For transactions under $2500, it aint gonna happen; not today or tomorrow. Moreover, its important for our legislators to understand this because when it is clear they are unable to enforce a legislated morality, they will be forced to amend.

what i mean by shell company is, bodog has an account with the rapid transfer service that is under an inconspicuous name. when creating this account with MG, it's a certainty that they lied about what type of business they do.

i see what you are saying, and while i know you hate amateur lawyers, i'm still pretty sure that services like MG doing transactions for online gaming (knowingly or not) is still illegal. imho, once someone high enough in the company is alerted that this is happening on a pretty wide scale, they are going to be proactive in closing the specific accounts belonging to the gaming sites.

if it were never ever discussed on internet forums, it would take longer for this information to creep up the ladder.

Ha, yeah, I remember the old WU days and picking up a different wire from my uh...filipino uncle Juan, or whoever it was that day.


That said, everyone who's arguing that it will all be okay, no worries, should remember. There used to be WU and we lost that. Bodog actually censored it in their chat. I'm sure they'd prefer everyone was just a little discreet.


But uh...do rapids pay out on Saturday?

WU still exists at Bodog; its called Money Transfer

MG pays out any day the place you go to is open. Different locations have different levels they will pay out in cash. I use US Bank for large payouts and the grocery store for reloads to take advantage of the reload bonus

Thanks, surprised bodogs taking so long on paying me right now so was wondering if they'd wait till monday.


Any chance you're in San Diego? ,there's a US bank next to the grocery store w/ moneygram and I use a similar combo.

Looks like a much quicker payout from bodog. Requested on 5/28 and received 6/10 via fedex...thats less than 2 weeks!!!!! WOOO HOOO!! anyone else?

Requsted on 4/28 and still waiting. My most recent follow up email said the first 2 checks of 4 total were in the mail??? I suppose they prefer sending in smaller increments. They said the 2nd 2 checks would follow in a couple weeks.

Finally got my payouts, i had two payouts one end of april and one beginning of may. Well the check processor decided they wanted to combine the checks. The first one was definitely over the quoted timeframe. CS was helpful and they comped me 20 oh boy i am rich. FWIW I learned a lesson: dont use check by mail always use courier. Well at least i finally got the money.

Faustus,

There are deposit/withdrawal options that Bodog does not offer to all of its customers. It offers them only to those who have been on the site a long time and/or are high volume players. Presumably, one of the reasons they do this is to keep these types of transactions available for as long as possible, before either a phony account set up by law enforcement finds out about it, or so that the entity that Bodog has "duped" into participating does not find out that it is involved in a gambling transaction, etc.

So those of you who keep posting details of how to get money in/out of Bodog -- whatever the method -- are doing all of us who play there a disservice.

It's really not that hard to understand.

Requested early yesterday, confirmed and received today...weeeeeeeee! I did feel kind of shady when I left out the sender's name, phone number, and state, but I said the whole ebay thing. When she asked, "jeez...what did you sell?" I was just like "uhhh...a computer"

Also, it had been only like 2 days since I faxed in my credit card verification form, since thats what I originally deposited with before putting in the minimum $100 by moneygram about a month ago.

Moneygram FTW

Requested check on 5/21 recieved via Fedex 6/13

Hmmm, I've been there for over 3 years and have played over a quarter million midstakes cash hands so I guess thats me (although I have not been offered any of these top secret methods).

Also, noboby is discussing these top secret methods (cough atm cards cough); only what is readily accessible to anyone with a bodog account and widely publicized in their cashier panel. Quit making it sound like we are terrorists sending money to the dom-in-a-can republic to trade narcotics for weapons. YOU are doing the actual disservice sir.

Requested payout via WU noon yesterday, approved at 12:20, got MTCN info emailed at 7:45p.

Anyone receive their Debt Cards yet from Bodog? Only certain players were sent this option for cashing out, but I haven't seen or heard of anyone receiving it yet.

I got mine about a month ago. Haven't used it for anything yet though.

Update: Finally received the first 2 checks for $3k each on Thur. and Friday. Still waiting for the last 2 checks.

If a check comes back as counterfeit, then it means that the government shut down or flagged the account on which it was written. This is happening more and more often. Payors are having to close and re-open under different names, and they are having to close and re-open bank accounts. Payments are also getting bounced around several different bank accounts before hitting the check provider. It's a huge game of cat and mouse.

The government is acting every bit as foolishly about online poker as the record companies did about Napster. The record companies passed on millions of dollars by shutting down Napster rather than finding a way to work with it. Likewise, by not finding a way to regulate and tax online poker, the government is pissing away an untold fortune. From what I can tell, they aren't in a position to be passing on free money. They are severely under budget and trying to fund a war, so I don't see online poker being illegal much longer. Somebody in Washington will wise up. Let's hope it's sooner rather than later.

I got mine roughly 2 months ago, and I only play low stakes SNG/MTT and 10max cash tables. The payouts are almost as fast as Rapid Transfer. I've gotten 2 of them and each one took exactly 2 business days!

The card itself has a fee for every POS transaction, which kinda sucks, so I just use it on my big purchases. But, it still beats the heck out of the check option.