My Bigdogpoker.net experience--

After playing for a month, my account was banned, I was

was passed on to Scotter Clark via Facebook messenger. Posted Below is the 2 chat logs and some of my thoughts on what’s happening.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1...it?usp=sharing

For anyone playing on BigdogPoker.net or considering it,

According to this 2+2 thread they are the same people behind pokermania.

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/2...017-a-1648575/

https://www.scamguard.com/bigdogpokernet/

https://reportscam.com/bigdogpokernet

Myself, and other winning players have been banned from playing. In the chat posted below I had with the owner (google docs link below)
he continues to deny it's because I'm a winning player. He's basically manufacturing a very soft player pool, banning
all winning players but allowing his 'friends' to continue to play uncontested at mid-higher stakes.
So in the end, only players losing money, breaking even, or slight winners, or his friends/associates, are on the site.

It also appears that some of the players who weren't paid out from pokermania are
slowly being paid now(after over a year) However, players on Bigdog with 'frozen' accounts are
waiting for 40+days to receive their winnings.
Full disclosure I was paid out my remaining balance of ~8000, however that number is relatively low
compared to the other players reporting not being paid.

Even after reviewing all of this if you continue to play on the site, keep this in mind-- If you're cashing out
via paypal through their cashier, the owners of that paypal have up to 180 days to do a reversal.
Your money will not be 100% safe until 3 months after you receive it in Paypal.
If they aren't able to pay back these players, or more players come out with similar situations, this
could spiral out of control very quickly. (paypal exit scam) In the chat you'll see Scotter plans on moving to Costa Rica in a few months. There won't be much anyone can do if and when that does happen.

To protect yourself only use crypto. That forces them to be transparent, not being able to reverse bitcoin. If you're still hesitant on using bitcoin, cashapp allows you to instantly turn BTC to USD and is an easy solution
for those not wanting to create a wallet.

Are you loot4cinco? He was banned from the site and was playing a lot of tables daily winning a lot. Supposedly, (regs were saying in the chat), that his agent said he won too much too quick. I don't know if that is true, but he disappeared from the site and no one responded to the occasional post asking what happened with him.

My s/n on there was donations. It was mostly 50-200NL 8-12 tabling

Yeah he was on 8+ tables I want to say too and won a lot in a short period of time. The amount he won was obviously speculation, but the regs were saying it was 30k+ in a pretty short period. I play on there and wondered why he was banned. Nobody would say why outside of his agent (supposedly) saying he won too much....this kind of looks along the similar lines from your Google document chat in regards to playing a lot of tables and a lot of hands.

In the chat, he didn't even want to see proof I could play that many hands.

It looks like hes desperately trying to keep as much money on the site as he can, generate rake, keeping winning players like Tedstretch in limbo, and attempt to get even.

The quarantine boom is coming to an end, and if players still haven't been paid, its likely they will be waiting for a while.

Hey man. You got paid. Are also getting paid your rake back. If the owners don't want you on their site they don't have to let you play.

Would you let anyone in your house?

That's up to your discretion right?

If you were having a home game, returned me my money, and stated i was not welcome back. I would respect your decision versus writing articles all over the place and then claiming it's a ponzi scheme.

If I'm still getting paid my rakeback does that confirm I'm not a bot? If he truly believed I'm a bot, why would he even pay me anything?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cSVuod_Y7HE
^^^
Scotter didn't even want to see the proof I could play that many hands.
But you're right, Scotter can ban anyone he wants, it's his site. IMO it still should be known prior to playing that if you do win, you're likely to be banned. That's why forums outside of BigDog's FB page are great for information the site doesn't want exposed.

Nope, but this is an online poker site that accepts deposits from ANYONE with paypal or btc wallet. So yea they are letting anyone into their 'house.' You're example would be closer to a private club. Think Pokerwbuddies2 app.


It's because I've been paid that makes it easy to speak out on this. Imagine having 5 figures locked up, and a site owner is telling you he'll pay you small amounts here and there (if anything)
Do you sit and wait? Or do you go public and risk never getting paid? Do you see the problem that creates? Someone has to speak up eventually. With them paying me, it made it easy on my end.

"again I am not writing you off... Im asking you to stay away until later. You do not speak to anyone but me about this" -Scotter (found in google docs)



Fwiw, MikeBD and my affiliate have been extremely easy to work with during my play there, and even afterwards. As people come forward, my bet is the problems will be focused at Scotter.
If no one comes forward, I'll ask the mods to lock the thread and we can all move on.

After re reading the Google doc I missed the 30k that a player says he is owed. I wonder if that is loot4cinco. I hope that person sees this thread and posts. That is a lot of money being held (if true). I would like to know the reasoning.

Interesting. I just started on here not long ago. I saw the ad on FB and signed up. Then I deposited $200 and have spun it up a few thousand playing 50 and 100nl. I've only been on the site for a short bit and when I first started playing maybe 2-3 weeks ago I saw the name Donations on most tables. It seemed like you were short stacking so I assumed you were just a bad-reg.

Really hope this site doesn't go sour because the games are insanely good. I'm not talking 5bb/100 good, I'm talking 20bb/100+ on top of 20% RB.

I requested a bitcoin payout for my initial balance and got paid in a few hours. I suppose I'll be keeping a small balance with them going forward. I've probably played like 10,000 hands tops and I'm up about 40ish buy ins between 50 and 100nl.

I think this goes back to the recent email they sent out updating their terms. They can ban you with no proof whatsoever that you are a bot, using AI, solvers, whatever they want to claim. It did say they will pay you out if they don't have physical proof, but this all goes back to exhibit A where they can basically just ban you if you are a winning player.

In my previous post, I mentioned that I myself am new to Bigdog and saw your name in many of the same games as me. You were short stacking it seemed. Bots are going to perform better with shallower stacks and also play lots of tables.

The players on this site are mostly braindead. It doesn't surprise me they don't understand that a human can play 10+ tables. These guys seem like small home game/local club type players. These are not players on the same level that you'd find in your normal 100NL games on ACR or BOL. They are clueless if you couldn't tell by their play.

I was using Fox before BigDog and Fox was A+++. Great promotions, tournaments, rakeback, customer service, everything. BigDog seems quite a bit more sketchy but the games are so good I overlooked it. Time will tell what happens to both me and the site, especially as you mentioned the ownership is on their way to CR.

Yea I take a very exploitative approach. Most players on these smaller sites aren't capable of adjusting to 40bb stacks.
And it allows me to play more tables, capping the decisions I have to make per hand. I was 100BB 50-100NL and 40bb 200-500NL on BD.

The real reason it's this soft is all the competition has been banned. Any winning player is eventually declared a bot, colluding,
using some ridiculous software.

So the player pool that's existing is only going to be losers, break even players, small winners, and any friends of Scotter
that can go uncontested mid to highstakes.

Makes sense. In my last post I wasn't accusing you of being a bot, just saying that typically bots are going to perform better with shallower stacks. But I can understand why the the average player on BigDog might think you were a bot. They don't understand online poker as a whole and are mostly live players who have found a new home.

I only play 3-4 tables and try to chat and at least say nh/gg etc. Hopefully that keeps me off the radar a bit and I can keep printing for the time being. I have noticed many of these players are Iowa, Wisconsin, Illinois, and a few other states. Guessing this has to do with those players primarily being under certain agents from their home games/local clubs. I found the site from a FB ad after downloading Pokerbros on my phone. I'd feel more comfortable if I actually knew my agent IRL or at least had dealt with them previously.

I always talk at the tables as well, to keep it as rec friendly as possible.
I suggest only using crypto to cashout and going through the site. As their Paypal payouts have up to 180 days to reverse.

Scotter(owner of BD) ran pokermania prior. Always be cautious using agents you don't know. Or the stuff you'll see in this thread will continue to happen.

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/2...017-a-1648575/

I was told by Kurt that I would be paid out in full tomorrow, so will update here when that happens

A few questions (apologize if they are duplicates to what was mentioned)
- How much are you owed?
- Assuming they pay you today, how long was the wait? - edit I see 40+ days
- What was their reasoning behind the delay?

If you do not want to post it here, can you PM me your s/n? I have been discussing this topic with a couple of buddies, and there have been a couple of names that suddenly just disappeared. We were wondering what is going on.

I was paid in full today from bigdog.

I have to say that Kurt went out of his way to get me paid fast once the issue was brought up with him, and with a payment method I was comfortable with.

Scotter Clark blocked me this week and wont respond to messages about the status of the supposed "investigation" of my account. His conduct was extremely unprofessional and borderline criminal during the process, which still has not been resolved.