He was probably referring to cash games. Recently there have been a lot of disconnects for me as well. And some players in chat were suspecting one or more specific players of somehow being able to disrupt the server and cause their opponents to autofold/timeout after building a pot.

that player is now banned and WPN is looking into the problem. i think hs funds were confiscated too... he was ddos wpn some how....

table starter rakeback doesnt seem to be working as of today. the system is not recognizing tables right now!

Anyone know what going on over there right now. Unable to get onto the poker client and their website seems down???

No problems recently since the ddos problem with WPN. the table starter bonus stopped working for a bit but got fixed right away. Has anyone received refunds due to DoS in plo? Support said they are calculating refunds last time i checked...

This site "rounds" amounts or "forgets" to either credit deposits or send withdrawls that have small amounts.

2 examples:

withdrawl: was like 96.72 = 0.09672 BTC, and they sent 96 or 0.096 cutting off or "losing" the rest; support said "Oh, you really want the rest?"

deposit: was like 1.2 = 0.0012 BTC (minimum says 0.001), to test some other problems that were happening with the wallet/cashier, and sure enough the amount credited was reduced to 0.001 BTC.

The site has a long history of both big and small problems with taking funds, so it's not really a surprise, but maybe some people aren't aware of it.

previous "theft": https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?to....0#post_toc_32

Just talked to support about this... was about to leave the site until i found out your post is libelous!

Here is rounding thing:

https://www.betcoin.ag/support/what-...drawal-amounts

And in 2012 Betcoin didnt even exist. that link is talking about a site called betco.in not BETCOIN.ag

This is true. I e-mailed support asking where my missing BTC was on a deposit, and they indicated they rounded off. They did credit my account for the missing amount.

Granted, it's tiny #'s but you can't just "round off" and have money disappear. (over & over again over a span of large volumes of transactions)

Seemed a bit sketchy to me.

EDIT: (my query & their response)

Q:I recently made a deposit of .0175 btc into my Betcoin account. The deposit went thru as transaction # xxxxxxx , but only for .017 btc. Can you please tell me what happened to the missing .0005 btc ?

A:The system does not register amounts less than 0.001 btc, however we have added this manually. Please keep future deposits at 0.001 or more. Thank you.

If you have an account you can view your ticket at:
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

Sincerely,

Betcoin Support

I think it's just as they said and their system doesn't register amounts less than 0.001btc (1 chip). If you deposit or withdraw a fraction of a chip, they have to sort it out manually. In your case next time just deposit 17 chips or 18 chips, instead of 17.5 chips.

https://www.betcoin.ag/wpn-tournamen...xpected-9-days

Guys. Alarming news. Pretty sure I played a hacker at Betcoin very recently.

What happened:

On 29th October I played a guy called ilovebitcoins56 at Betcoin heads-up tables. Never seen him before.

We play a few hands, he starts off really, really aggressive but besides that nothing out of the ordinary. First hand of importance I open BTN, he 3bets, I call 22. flop JJ4dd, he half pots, I call. turn Jx, he bets half pot, I sigh and call. river Qx, he minbets, im like ok lets call that getting 1:100. About to call the minbet when my table freezes and I time out and lose the pot. Im thinking thats annoying but whatever, could be just a random disconnect.

He proceeds to play super aggro wins a few pots. Then a few hands later I get KJo on the button, he 3bets very big, I call. flop Jxx hh he bets huge around pot I think, I call. turn Tx he minbets. Im about to shove as its just a psb on the turn and the same thing happens as Im about to set the slider to all-in position: my table freezes and I timeout and lose the pot.

I keep playing him because he opened to 30bbs preflop once and did random **** like that. Very soon after I get T7o otb, open he calls. flop TT4, he leads small I raise he flats. turn 5x he mindonks and the same exact thing happens again with the same timing. The table freezes and I lose the pot. After I come back he's still there and I'd lost the pot. Almost immediately after Betcoin server disconnects, I get kicked off all the tables and cant connect anymore. Never saw the guy since. The only thing out of the ordinary was that I had Skype open while I played while I normally dont.

Now, if this happened once Id say thats standard. Twice Id say thats pretty strange but still could be just a coincidence. But three times within 20 hands, all in spots where the pot was quite large postflop already and I had a hand that seemed pretty strong. Thats extremely suspicious given that Ive played here a lot and NEVER had this happen before.

I immediately sent Betcoin an e-mail telling what happened. They told me they would investigate and IMMEDIATELY promised to refund my lost money.
I received the refund today and regarding the investigation was told today by a Betcoin represantive that "The result is that this has been an issue with the WPN software and other companies that should be now corrected in full once our programmers were able to help out with the matter. If something like this should happen again, it shouldn't but if it does, please contact us for immediate review. WE are here anytime." They did not say if the player in question was punished or not.

Betcoin representatives, can you clarify what exactly happened here? You say its a network-wide issue. Were all the skins affected? Is the exploit completely fixed now? If yes, how did it happen exactly? If not, what can we do to protect ourselves from this? Does having Skype on make you vulnerable to being exploited while playing on your network? This is a huge security issue that has not been addressed by Betcoin at all.

Wow the above post is alarming. I came in here to ask about the 50% RB account but I'd appreciate some clarification from Betcoin about what happened.

Yeah. The fact that they instantly offered to refund my money makes it look all the more suspicious imo.

Betcoin/WPN reps care to comment on this? Is/was there a network wide exploit that allows a hacker to freeze the game at his will and win pots at his own convenience that nobody was warned about?

Is your skype name the same as your betcoin screen name?

How the traffic lately?

There's nothing "alarming" here...
They've been DDOS'ed, just as every single online poker room (including stars,...) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denial-of-service_attack

They announced maintenance to try to fix things and AFAIK it's ok now.....

ofc he should be alarmed when the timing happens in 3 large pots and getting disc making a trivial call. if the disc happened randomly that would be diff story

My point was that if the player's own IP address were available to his opponent, that opponent might have been able to attack and overload the player's own network, leaving everyone else on the site unaffected. If his skype screenname was the same as his poker screenname, maybe it is possible to get his IP in that way.

No.

People are quick to blame this on random disconnects but they didnt feel random at all. Seemed like he was deliberately building big pots and then doing the minbet-disconnect thing when it seemed like he wasnt going to win it.

I agree that them refunding me the money is not a proof of something weird going on but it felt really damn shady at the time and Ive learned to trust my instincts.

Betcoin didnt even bother responding to me about this at e-mail - great support guys

Possible but extremely unlikely. If it was a DDoS attack it would be laggy the whole time and disconnect randomly. I didnt time out once before that and every single disconnect happened in very alarming spots.

I still believe theres a high chance it was some sort of exploit but I cant gather any more proof as Betcoin doesnt reply to my queries.

Couldnt figure out where the bigger tourneys went, then I saw this:

https://www.betcoin.ag/wpn-tournamen...xpected-9-days

No, the disconnect would only last while they turned whatever DDoS software/service they were using on (unless the overload somehow caused the site to temporarily break - even then it would only occur after they turned it on.)

What stakes were you playing? Seems less likely they'd DDoS the entire site unless it were for higher stakes, though I guess that could be wrong since the site already drops out on its own often enough.

A possibility that's usually more likely would be if they had your IP address somehow (Skype possibly) and used that to DDoS you personally. Though the site apparently claiming some responsibility (?) makes that less likely, but it would usually be the obvious cause of the problem you mentioned.

This was just 3/6 BTC so low stakes. I guess through Skype would be possible, although theres only a few people who know my screenname there and if they did that (unlikely) they would have probably sat me at considerably higher stakes. So guess that chance is starting to look less likely now.

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