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06-12-2010 , 10:06 AM
I'm not quite sure how to word this, so apologies if it comes across as if I'm rambling a bit.

I play on the iPoker network and every day that I turn up to play, I always turn up fresh, raring to go and try to play short, focussed sessions. I always respect every opponent and try to make the best possible decisions each and every step of the way.

I also try to play as many of my games as possible against as low a standard of opponent as possible, which isn't difficult as the site is overrun with bad and very bad players.

Despite this, every day I end up feeling stressed, frustrated and absolutely drained, after time and time again having to watch bad plays and bad players encouraged, allowed, pandered to and rewarded.

I cannot understand why this is happening. I am no world beater, but I understand the game to a reasonable level. There are players on this site who clearly do not and yet they seem to be allowed to thrive at the expense of genuine players such as myself.

I feel more needs to be done to make sure players are trying to play a decent level of poker and rewarding the people who are doing so. How are these bad players meant to learn if they see their bad plays pandered to, they are just going to keep coming back and doing the same again.

I really cannot understand why, I do fine against other decent players, my stats stand up well in those games. However, when playing against poor players, I really struggle and do not feel I am getting a fair reward for my efforts.

I am quite worried and upset about the whole situation and if anyone has any tips, insights, similar experiences or advice, then I'd be delighted to hear from you.

Thanks
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06-12-2010 , 10:07 AM
lol
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06-12-2010 , 10:15 AM
Here is likely the only genuine reply you will get.


Post this in the psychology forum.


All you will get here are various forms of people laughing at you and telling you to move up where they respect your raises, because you are just the latest of players who cannot win who probably believe they are a lot better than they actually are in terms of skill. Then this thread will be tossed into the rigged thread.

The psychology forum will give you actual constructive feedback on your emotional weaknesses, as you have some fairly routine "issues" in that regard (mixture of paranoia and minor delusions of grandeur). Your opinion of how the poker world should work is kind of laughable as well to be honest.


A lot of the problems you have are in your head. The rest is likely due to your much weaker than you realize game play, but the second area will never be properly handled until you tackle the first.

That's it for genuine suggestions. Enjoy the rest of the responses now...
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06-12-2010 , 10:17 AM
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Originally Posted by Monteroy
Here is likely the only genuine reply you will get.


Post this in the psychology forum.


All you will get here are various forms of people laughing at you and telling you to move up where they respect your raises, because you are just the latest of players who cannot win who probably believe they are a lot better than they actually are in terms of skill. Then this thread will be tossed into the rigged thread.

The psychology forum will give you actual constructive feedback on your emotional weaknesses, as you have some fairly routine "issues" in that regard (mixture of paranoia and minor delusions of grandeur). Your opinion of how the poker world should work is kind of laughable as well to be honest.


A lot of the problems you have are in your head. The rest is likely due to your much weaker than you realize game play, but the second area will never be properly handled until you tackle the first.

That's it for genuine suggestions. Enjoy the rest of the responses now...


Can you tell me in what way you think I'm paranoid and how you feel I have delusions of grandeur ?

Thanks
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06-12-2010 , 10:18 AM
Do you think it's rigged then?

Juk
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06-12-2010 , 10:23 AM
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Originally Posted by jukofyork
Do you think it's rigged then?

Juk
Do I think what's rigged ?
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06-12-2010 , 10:26 AM
teh internet pokerz OBV.
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06-12-2010 , 10:26 AM
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Originally Posted by FatedToPretend
Can you tell me in what way you think I'm paranoid and how you feel I have delusions of grandeur ?

Thanks
Post in the psychology forum. Seriously. I already wasted time on you in the rigged thread and with my genuine response here.

You simply do not have the mental fortitude to play based on what you write. If you want better insight into that then post in the appropriate forum.

Cut and paste it even. Takes 10 seconds.

Is that really so hard to do? You will be treated as a joke in this forum, so if you do not post your issues in the correct forum I can only assume you are a troll or a guy who is into being a weird martyr that likes to be abused.

You will even get the style of responses you like since you get frustrated when people are not "nice" in an industry where people succeed based on other people failing.

That's all I got for you in this forum, and I will not be replying to you any more here even though I expect you to fully carry on your "chat" here while not posting in the proper forum (hint, that was one last effort to get you to get your ass in gear to post your emotional issues in the right forum).

All the best.
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06-12-2010 , 10:28 AM
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Originally Posted by FatedToPretend
Do I think what's rigged ?
If it's not rigged then how are the bad players being rewarded?

Juk
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06-12-2010 , 10:28 AM
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Originally Posted by FatedToPretend
How are these bad players meant to learn if they see their bad plays pandered to, they are just going to keep coming back and doing the same again.
!!!
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06-12-2010 , 10:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Monteroy
Post in the psychology forum. Seriously. I already wasted time on you in the rigged thread and with my genuine response here.

You simply do not have the mental fortitude to play based on what you write. If you want better insight into that then post in the appropriate forum.

Cut and paste it even. Takes 10 seconds.

Is that really so hard to do? You will be treated as a joke in this forum, so if you do not post your issues in the correct forum I can only assume you are a troll or a guy who is into being a weird martyr that likes to be abused.

You will even get the style of responses you like since you get frustrated when people are not "nice" in an industry where people succeed based on other people failing.

That's all I got for you in this forum, and I will not be replying to you any more here even though I expect you to fully carry on your "chat" here while not posting in the proper forum (hint, that was one last effort to get you to get your ass in gear to post your emotional issues in the right forum).

All the best.

Monteroy, I respect your opinion.

As my query was related to internet poker, that is the forum I chose to post it in.

You have said it is psychological as I am paranoid and have delusions of grandeur. If you could back up those comments and explain your evidence for making them, then I would be able to decide whether to move this thread.

I'm not disagreeing with you and if you can justify your reasons, then I'll happily move the thread, but it doesn't get moved just because you say so.
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06-12-2010 , 10:38 AM
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Originally Posted by FatedToPretend
Monteroy, I respect your opinion.

As my query was related to internet poker, that is the forum I chose to post it in.

You have said it is psychological as I am paranoid and have delusions of grandeur. If you could back up those comments and explain your evidence for making them, then I would be able to decide whether to move this thread.

I'm not disagreeing with you and if you can justify your reasons, then I'll happily move the thread, but it doesn't get moved just because you say so.

Nope.

Start the thread in the appropriate forum and I will respond to it there, as I have to other threads (in a genuine serious way) in that forum.

This forum is filled with guys just like you who post for weird troll reasons, and while I dabble with the rigged thread for that type of fun once in a while now, I will not be a part of that on a regular basis any more.

You have fairly standard minor mental issues with regard to poker. You want them discussed in a respectful manner, post in the correct forum.

Otherwise you are just being a weird troll, and all the joke responses you get are what you deserve.
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06-12-2010 , 10:38 AM
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Originally Posted by FatedToPretend
You have said it is psychological...
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Originally Posted by FatedToPretend
...every day I end up feeling stressed, frustrated and absolutely drained, after time and time again having to watch bad plays and bad players encouraged, allowed, pandered to and rewarded.
...
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06-12-2010 , 10:40 AM
I suggest u listen to monteroy, only genuine response you'll get in this forum.

In b4

internet poker is rigged
no money at uSNL/play money, everyone's solid
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06-12-2010 , 10:41 AM
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/reward

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Reward
  1. something given or received in return for a deed or service rendered
  2. a sum of money offered, esp for help in finding a criminal or for the return of lost or stolen property
  3. profit or return
  4. something received in return for good or evil; deserts
  5. (Psychology) Psychol any pleasant event that follows a response and therefore increases the likelihood of the response recurring in the future
So which is it?

Juk
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06-12-2010 , 10:44 AM
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Presumably number 3, a profit or return. Don't see which other one it could be.
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06-12-2010 , 10:46 AM
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Originally Posted by FatedToPretend
Presumably number 3, a profit or return. Don't see which other one it could be.
But bad players lose their money in the long run?

Juk
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06-12-2010 , 10:47 AM
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Originally Posted by bagclip2007
lol

+1 lol
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06-12-2010 , 10:48 AM
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Originally Posted by FatedToPretend
How are these bad players meant to learn if they see their bad plays pandered to
What?
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06-12-2010 , 10:51 AM
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Originally Posted by FatedToPretend
There are players on this site who clearly do not and yet they seem to be allowed to thrive at the expense of genuine players such as myself.


I really cannot understand why, I do fine against other decent players, my stats stand up well in those games. However, when playing against poor players, I really struggle and do not feel I am getting a fair reward for my efforts.
The solution is easy, dont play bad players, because you will only lose, instead, play good players where you will obvously win more, because your playing better players therefore you will take them to the cleaners.
In fact, why dont you sit at a table with phil ivey, durrrr, patrick antonius, gus hanson and all that bunch and you will be a millionair in no time after taking them all to the cleaners......because everyone knows that the better the player of poker you play, the easier it is to win from them and the more you will win, because only bad players make a profit as it so difficult to win any money from a bad player and good players always lose, thats why there good. do you inderstand?

Last edited by triffid123; 06-12-2010 at 10:56 AM.
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06-12-2010 , 11:02 AM
just keep the pots small and play against bad players in position. their leaks will allow you to take a steady clip from them even when the pots are small.
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06-12-2010 , 11:05 AM
OP, sorry to say it, but you just don't get! You'll be better off just quiting the game! You basically don't have the slightest idea where the money comes from in poker and why as long as the game is played by humans there will always be $$$ in poker. Try chess instead or something...
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06-12-2010 , 11:05 AM
I think you should move up to a forum where they'll respect your posts.
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06-12-2010 , 11:05 AM
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Originally Posted by FatedToPretend
I also try to play as many of my games as possible against as low a standard of opponent as possible, which isn't difficult as the site is overrun with bad and very bad players.
This seems to indicate you do have a clue. So what's up with the rest of your post? You are losing because of variance or because of your play.

You should probably post in the other forum like Monteray suggests.
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06-12-2010 , 11:11 AM
I know where you are coming from, because I have been there myself. I'm not being a jerk here. I'm speaking from personal experience.

You're not as good as you think you are. Fish are where your profit is going to come from. Why do you think they invite one or two rich amateurs to High Stakes Poker every season? If you can't beat the fish, then you are a fish.

This gives you two options:
1) Keep on believing internet poker is rigged, and keep beating your head against the wall.
2) Admit that you have a lot to learn, and get to studying.

Number one is easy, but won't help you in the long run.
Number two is a serious pain, but will lead to awesomeness.
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