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Originally Posted by Sciolist
There is no player segregation like on Party. The solution we're using is to not allow table selection - that's all.
I believe that we missunderstood each other. What I meant was that with so reg unfriendly solution you will get rid of mostly the good players from site point of view (so the break-even barely winning regs) who will be losers now.
Instead your new plateau will be huge very strong regs and losing fish with nothing in between so in the end you can get disapointed with the result.
I gave party example to ilustrate that any reg unfriendly changes don't make games more healthy they just further polarize the playing pool.
you will have huge 10bb+ winners and huge fish. So regs will have even worse rake to winning ratio. Sure the recreational players will be happier and maybe deposit more in the long run but the impact of decreased rake will be significantly bigger than the advantages of the changes.
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Originally Posted by Sciolist
There is no player segregation like on Party. The solution we're using is to not allow table selection - that's all.
I agree that the people who will be initially harmed by this are the ones who survive purely by extreme table selection. But in the long term they will benefit too, because the games will get softer. The Party system meant that they never got to play in the new soft games, but that isn't going to happen at Unibet because we do not segregate.
The aim isn't to increase the rake to deposit ratio. The aim is to keep new players alive for longer.
This makes sense from a business point of view - if players stay alive for longer, they will make more deposits. Those players will also play on Unibet's other products, and we will make more money from them. Finally, if we can increase the lifetime of new players, we can afford to pay more for new players, so we can acquire more of them than our competitors.
Also, thanks for your thoughtful post.
Firstly the table selecting regs won't be the first to go. The first to go will be the break-even mass-mulitabling regs who live solely from the rakeback then bumhunters. Overall I would guess that any site likes the b/e regs (there is a reason why Stars have the SNE rewards program)
"the recreational players depositing more"
I understand the idea but is there any data anywhere that would support that point of view? I remember Dominik Kofert mentioned it like once is his post about not discriminating winning players" that there is no data supporting the idea that if fish can play longer with their first deposit they deposit more in the long run.
Just an example:
-fish deposits 500€ get broke in 3 days then like 2 weeks later deposit another 500€ get broke and is done
-fish deposit 500€ and is able to play with it for a month.
Do we have really data that in the 2nd case the recreational player will deposit more in the long run (so it would exceed the 1k deposits made in the first example)?
One other thing is that everyone mention how they get more and more recreational players friendly but I believe only 888 get rid off rev share model which is like the biggest problem.
If you value recreational player for like 100$ for the affiliate and the reg due to rev share model several times more how do you expect the games will look in the long run??
We have more and more crazy ideas to make it harder for regs to win but somehow no one see they hypocrisy in rooms action.
I wouldn't be suprised that 888 success had a lot to do with them never offering huge rev share (and they stopped offering it some time ago) and just going with huge CPA/CPA only + some free money to encourage people to create an account.
So maybe there are other less extreme solutions to this issue.
Anyway we will see how it will work out for unibet. We are in structrual decline in poker (according to pokerscout we lost like 15% year to year). So maybe the crazy ideas are what we need.
Last edited by gargamel_fk; 12-13-2013 at 06:56 AM.