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04-10-2019 , 07:38 AM
Hey guys.

My name is Anton, I've been playing on PokerStars for a living since 2014. My screen name is 'el.suertero'. My current stake is 200NL. Some of you certainly have battled me at the tables.

I would like to ask those of you who believe that seating scripts should be completely prohibited on PokerStars, to send an email to support@starsaccount.com and gameintegrity@starsaccountnj.com with the following text that I've composed:

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Hello, PokerStars.

We, your regular players, would like to draw your attention to a serious issue that severely damages the user experience on your site. We believe that most of your customers suffer because of it.

We are talking about the seating scripts in cash games. Your recent policy changes regarding their functionality did not improve the situation. Matter of fact, your changes made it even worse than before.

At the moment, it is often impossible to get a seat at any table from the lobby for prolonged periods of time since all available seats are continuously reserved by script users ('R'). The main criterion for triggering a script, according to the developers of the most popular of them, is no longer a color label, but the number of players sitting at the table. As a result, non-script players (most of your customers) are unable to sit down and start playing. Instead, they have to wait until all the scripters from the waitlist leave the table. Given the large number of scripters, it takes quite a long time, especially when the traffic peaks. To our understanding, this situation hurts the majority of your cash game players.

Furthermore, we believe that the use of a seating script violates in some measure one of your basic rules that third-party software shall not interfere with the player's decision-making logic. Table selection is a skill in itself, just like check-raising the river at the right time. It is a decision making process which should not be automated in any way. Seating scripts vastly reduce the degree of human participation in this process.

Among other things, we suppose that recreational players do not like when every table they try to sit at is instantly filled with scripters. Considering that recreational players make up a significant portion of your player base, we believe it is sensible for you to solve this problem as soon as possible.

Finally, we would like to inform you that some of the users of the MagicSeat script (allegedly) still have the access to using the prohibited table selection functionality based on the color labels of the players. Please, investigate.

In the light of the above, we ask you to reconsider your decision on the regulation of the seating scripts and completely prohibit their use during play on your site. We are certain that such a move on your part will noticeably improve the situation in the lobby and level the playing field for everyone.

We hope for your understanding and cooperation.


Regards, your players.
Feel free to edit the source to your liking. I'm not a native English speaker so I would really appreciate if you corrected my text above. Being Russian myself, I've started a similar thread on most popular Russian poker forum: https://forum.gipsyteam.ru/index.php?viewtopic=145181

For what it's worth, Russian community has already come together and started sending emails to support.

Also, I've asked a number of 200NL regulars directly at the tables and many of them were ready to help me with this anti-scripts initiative. So I hope that 2+2 community will join us.

Thank you.

Last edited by sandr1x; 04-10-2019 at 08:05 AM.
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04-10-2019 , 09:27 AM
Since I don't live in a free country I cannot play on Pokerstars, but I wish you all the best in your efforts to pursue a clean, pure poker game. Best!!
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04-10-2019 , 01:25 PM
Agree 100%
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04-10-2019 , 02:11 PM
Why not just take your play to a site where scripts aren't allowed if it bothers you that much
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04-10-2019 , 02:30 PM
Another issue:

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(some) Bumhunting regs sit out on tables when the weaker player is sitting out or reloading, while they keep playing on other tables. This is disgusting behaviour. Make it so you have to sit out on all or none of your tables.
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04-10-2019 , 02:32 PM
WPN had a great way to deal with it before they changed it, after 2 orbits you're kicked from the table. They messed that all up....

Now entire tables die cuz people sit out and have to time down like 400 seconds or whatever the time amount is instead of the wait lists filling up tables. .
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04-10-2019 , 03:00 PM
I can't help but take a stab and hope all the petitioners are 100% against HUDS aswell, or this would be a farce.

Huds are essentially the same as having someone take notes in your place.
Seat scripts is the same as having someone do the table selection in your place.
Both automate things that lead to an improvement in personal grind quality of life.
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04-10-2019 , 06:02 PM
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Originally Posted by SirDehi
I can't help but take a stab and hope all the petitioners are 100% against HUDS aswell, or this would be a farce.

Huds are essentially the same as having someone take notes in your place.
Seat scripts is the same as having someone do the table selection in your place.
Both automate things that lead to an improvement in personal grind quality of life.
holy living **** at the ridiculousness of this take
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04-10-2019 , 08:26 PM
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Originally Posted by SirDehi
I can't help but take a stab and hope all the petitioners are 100% against HUDS aswell, or this would be a farce.

Huds are essentially the same as having someone take notes in your place.
Seat scripts is the same as having someone do the table selection in your place.
Both automate things that lead to an improvement in personal grind quality of life.
I actually agree with this. If you are going to ban scripts than you should ban HUDs at the table. If you want to allow HUDs than allow the scripts and any other assisting programs somebody wants to use at the table.
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04-11-2019 , 01:20 AM
Guys, I appreciate your feedback but this thread is not about HUDs, it's about seating scripts. Let's take one step at a time.

Thank you for your understanding.
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04-11-2019 , 01:59 AM
am i understanding this right? multi-tablers playing over 100k hands a month complaining about a situation where it is harder to get on even more tables??
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04-11-2019 , 05:46 AM
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Originally Posted by moss84
am i understanding this right? multi-tablers playing over 100k hands a month complaining about a situation where it is harder to get on even more tables??
No.
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04-11-2019 , 05:48 AM
I am a representative of the Stars Group Game Integrity Team.

Due to ring game seating scripts inherently causing this “table blocking”, we are making changes starting from today to prohibit players using these seating scripts. This change is effective immediately. It will take several days to update information on our webpages.

We thank the players who have raised their concerns with us on this issue.

Regards,

Scott S
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04-11-2019 , 07:03 AM
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Originally Posted by PS Game Integrity
I am a representative of the Stars Group Game Integrity Team.

Due to ring game seating scripts inherently causing this “table blocking”, we are making changes starting from today to prohibit players using these seating scripts. This change is effective immediately. It will take several days to update information on our webpages.

We thank the players who have raised their concerns with us on this issue.

Regards,

Scott S
Thank you very much.
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04-11-2019 , 07:11 AM
So thats it? Scripts banned 100% from a 1 day old thread from a guy with 1 post and a special color?

Last edited by Pinkmann; 04-11-2019 at 07:21 AM.
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04-11-2019 , 07:18 AM
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Originally Posted by PS Game Integrity
...Due to ring game seating scripts inherently causing this “table blocking”, we are making changes starting from today to prohibit players using these seating scripts. This change is effective immediately. It will take several days to update information on our webpages.
This is silly and disingenuous nonsense. You can't change the rules of the game through an obscure post buried deep in a thread on a third-party website like 2p2. You need to change the rules on your website, and then communicate it appropriately to players.

It's not fair to have the people who read this thread be expected to play by a different set of rules to the people who merely obey the rules which are propagated by PokerStars on their website.
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04-11-2019 , 08:31 AM
No more waiting for minutes for the Rs of scripters to go away so I can sit on a table? Amazing news!
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04-11-2019 , 09:06 AM
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Originally Posted by PS Game Integrity
I am a representative of the Stars Group Game Integrity Team.

Due to ring game seating scripts inherently causing this “table blocking”, we are making changes starting from today to prohibit players using these seating scripts. This change is effective immediately. It will take several days to update information on our webpages.

We thank the players who have raised their concerns with us on this issue.

Regards,

Scott S
Do i understand this correctly? Seating scripts are now 100% prohobited? Even those that go along with the new rules? How will it be punished? How are you planing on enforcing it 100%? You seriously announce this in a tiny thread burried on a 3rd party subforum?
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04-11-2019 , 09:52 AM
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Originally Posted by PS Game Integrity
I am a representative of the Stars Group Game Integrity Team.

Due to ring game seating scripts inherently causing this “table blocking”, we are making changes starting from today to prohibit players using these seating scripts. This change is effective immediately. It will take several days to update information on our webpages.

We thank the players who have raised their concerns with us on this issue.

Regards,

Scott S
Bring back a proper rakeback/rewards/loyalty program now and that will be the end of every other site more or less.
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04-11-2019 , 11:02 AM
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Originally Posted by Josem
This is silly and disingenuous nonsense. You can't change the rules of the game through an obscure post buried deep in a thread on a third-party website like 2p2. You need to change the rules on your website, and then communicate it appropriately to players.

It's not fair to have the people who read this thread be expected to play by a different set of rules to the people who merely obey the rules which are propagated by PokerStars on their website.
We have been notifying developers and users of seating scripts directly regarding our change in policy. We expect this to be the primary way our change in policy is communicated ahead of any website updates.

We would typically wait to make changes to our website first, however felt it appropriate to starting informing script users now in order to improve player experience sooner rather than later.
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04-11-2019 , 12:52 PM
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Originally Posted by PS Game Integrity
We have been notifying developers and users of seating scripts directly regarding our change in policy. We expect this to be the primary way our change in policy is communicated ahead of any website updates.

We would typically wait to make changes to our website first, however felt it appropriate to starting informing script users now in order to improve player experience sooner rather than later.
Don't play on Stars anymore after years of Stars-only, never used a script, so couldn't care less, but wtf you guys were thinking when implementing the initital rule?! You have "Seat me" which would kill scripts AND datamining (as it killed it on your Stars-Europe site). You have it all and then go for some bs-rule which you have to change after a day or 2. Quality of how the site is run and rakeback are approaching each other. Both are ****ing low.
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04-11-2019 , 01:13 PM
Can someone make a petition to make stars rewards transparent and understandable? Please!
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04-11-2019 , 01:23 PM
If you follow through then the situation will be the same as on 888 for the past 2-3 years
2-3 russians will figure out how to use a script without getting detected, get always a seat and print money and the rest of regs will have to battle for the table in a high rake/no rb environment
I'd much rather have you make every stake zoom only
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04-11-2019 , 02:24 PM
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Originally Posted by PS Game Integrity
I am a representative of the Stars Group Game Integrity Team.

Due to ring game seating scripts inherently causing this “table blocking”, we are making changes starting from today to prohibit players using these seating scripts. This change is effective immediately. It will take several days to update information on our webpages.

We thank the players who have raised their concerns with us on this issue.

Regards,

Scott S
Thank you very much for this decision. I did not play on stars due to this reason, now I will come back.
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04-11-2019 , 03:28 PM
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Originally Posted by PS Game Integrity
We have been notifying developers and users of seating scripts directly regarding our change in policy. We expect this to be the primary way our change in policy is communicated ahead of any website updates.

We would typically wait to make changes to our website first, however felt it appropriate to starting informing script users now in order to improve player experience sooner rather than later.
why you just didnt do this from march??
so now what about people who just paid for monthly subscription? they lost hundreds of dollars... as allways unprofessional beheviour from stars stuff, at least you should inform some days before banning... well done
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