They appear to be owned by TonyBet (a separate company using the TonyBet player database would be illegal). If CoinPoker serves USA (or other markets where poker is specifically illegal) TonyBet will lose their UK license (probably others too).

Still no answer?
Only question itt not answered. How do we know that the owner of this site isn't a well known scumbag.
Not saying the owner is but your not saying who it is.

Yes, usually there is a way, like proxy, VPN, alternate domains, etc. It's not a problem for regs but fish won't put effort into working around. Furthermore, if it's illegal to play, that means some risk for regs, too. Finally, I wouldn't bet on it that a powerful govt (like US') couldn't bring down the site if they want to. (Once again, there will be central gaming servers.) It's no coincidence that US citizens will be allowed to trade but not to play on the site (as it stands now).

You obviously missed my first post. Techniques listed in section 1.6 will hold back only noobs but won't cause much trouble for skilled ones who are able to put a bot software together. Obviously, they will configure their bots not to play too long without a break or to many tables simultaneously, etc. They can even bypass captcha and user input analysis by inserting a human into the process who just inputs the decisions calculated by the software into the poker client.

So once again, there is only one reliable method to detect bot play and collusion: statistical analysis. However, if new accounts can be registered with ease, this won't work neither. (They just need to re-reg with an appropriate frequency to bypass it.)

As you promise easy and anonymous registration requiring only an email address (see section 1.2.2), I ask the question again: what exact countermeasures are you going to have to prevent this behavior?

Would love to see a poker crypto blockchain do amazing, both take up too much of my free time. 99.9%+ of icos are scams, beware nothing here impresses me.

If you guys are on a site that accepts cryptos, litecoin is the best way to transfer your coins from wallet/exchange to the poker site. It has 1 cent fees and blocks are mined every 2 mins *super fast transactions)

just read this whole thread for the first time. in no particular order a few questions/comments

I only know Josem through 2+2, never met him (exchanged a single email him a a year ago so on unrelated topic) so, I have no skin in this, but I think the above thinking is out of line and would disagree strongly with both.

You might have hated the message that the new AmayaStars was spewing, but not sure you can put that on the messenger and thus hate on them. I mean some people do have jobs . and the thing about jobs, you kind of have to do what mgmt tells you to do. If you for whatever reason decide you dont want to do what mgmt wants, you either have to change their minds or go work somewhere else.


Hmm interesting. UK License problem with accepting US players is pretty serious stuff. That with the suspicious emails doesn't pass smell test, Love the TonyG (Plays it like a set was one of the greatest moment in televised poker) but what has he gotten himself into and what did he do with all that money from the PokerNews sale?

More serious question that you and Sect72 have brought up .. who owns this site. What is relationship with CoinPoker and TonyBet?

Great point. Didnt want that post to get lost. Proponents of this new tech wave the "more secure" flag proudly and all the time. Wonder how customers of Parity Wallet feel about that.



Finally and in general it will be interesting to see how CoinPoker (and other similar sites) play out. I'd agree with several posts above that they need to stop harping on the "More Fair RNG" value prop. This is simply not a problem in the minds of vast majority of players.

Regarding the ICO, that is just some crazy chit. At a minimum CoinPoker just netted $3 - $5,000,000 for themselves from printing computer pixels (candy crush yo).

That should help pay for their past development and several months of burn.

Cool thing about this new world order, if they need more cash, I guess they can just hit the print button again and voila ! Well assuming CHPs are still a thing then.

If they get games going then CHP might remain to be a thing. IF not then CHP will revert back to standing for California Highway Patrol.

I see two major questions unanswered, and if they remain so, EVERYONE SHOULD TAKE NOTICE:

1. What are the identities of the owners?
2. Will the games be profitable for the skilled players, including professionals and semi-professionals, given the rake redistribution model?

I cannot express to you how much I don't care about anything else. Please answer as clearly as possible. Short, concise answers will satisfy us.

Assuming you answer these questions, I say good luck with your project. If you don't answer them, I'd beg players, recreational to professional, to TAKE NOTICE.

Note: Before someone (Imp) answers the ownership question, I realize the TonyBet connection, but I want them to tell us the owner(s) name(s) themselves, for the sake of transparency, honesty and reputation integrity. I will assume the games are not profitable if they refuse to answer that question.

He's been very pro-Amaya since leaving the company. I understand that some people would put their personal beliefs to one side in their role as company spokesman - since leaving the company he's popped up in every Stars thread to defend them. These are his personal beliefs and it's perfectly fair to question them - Coin Poker are asking for donations from serious poker players but are being very vague about their attitude to those same players (vague about everything tbh). If Josem has any influence then CoinPoker will operate as Stars 2.0 (now with added blockchain) - is that something worth donating to?

I'd agree thats a different thing and dont follow the current stars threads much so didnt know. I thought you all were only alluding to his past role(s) while at Amaya. my misunderstanding.


Id agree with red part.

The blue part is conjecture on your part. time will tell.

1CHP still = .05 EUR according to their website. what forces will change this exchange rate? can this exchange rate be verified anywhere else? Can 1CHP actually be exchanged for .05 EUR right now?

Is more rake better ?

Will Pokertracker be compatible with this site, either as a HUD while playing or will the site allow hand history exports I can upload to my database?

Hello thank you for your message,
No you will not be able to use Pokertracker or any other tracker or hud with our application. Neither will it be possible to export hand history.

I hope all can understand that these two things are mutually exclusive.

There are many negative effects of regulation and I'm not a fan of those effects. Primary one being stifling of new technology innovation.

But there are many positive effects as well and I am a fan of those effects.
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In regulated world, ownership is known. In fact they been proven, to the best degree possible, to not be cockroaches. Even further they have been proven, to the best degree possible, to not hang around that much with known cockroaches or conduct any business with any known cockroaches.

Lets call it a Cockroach free zone... to the best degree possible. Cockroach free zones sound like a good idea vs the alternative.

TonyBet made a statement that they do not own Coinpoker

Just checked , The presale is doing fantastic!

https://coinpoker.com/?utm_source=go...m_campaign=ico

coinpoker rep. two questions.

1) Congrats. you all collected ~$6,000,000 for yourselves in the ICO (plus another mill or so in the coin you held back, i think). I'm not sure how standard accounting works in this new crypto world. I assume $6.000.000+ is simply revenue and no impact on your balance sheet? You marketed and sold a product (CHP), for a price someone was willing to pay, is it that simple? If so, the margin on that is I guess infinite because pixels have no cost?

Were company insiders / affiliates allowed to participate in the ICO If so, what % of ICO was bought personally by insiders / affiliates?

Will the cash from your sales this month be used to pay back past development costs, fund your monthly burn (i.e salaries, player acquisition), just drop to your bottom line for month and be distributed to owners, or all of the above?

2) You arbitrarily set the price you sell CHP at .05EUR. Can anyone sell CHP for .05EUR? Where? What forces will impact this exchange rate? Is there any limit on how many CHPs you can print and sell?


edit one more. just saw this response from your rep on your chat board

could you share some details on your "very optimistic" outlook for US players ability to play real money on your site.

I heard rumours, amaya is behind a project. Coins were sold really fast, obviously capital was prepared ahead. As well on board, is ex pokerstars security boss, with close relation to Amaya.

I also asking a forum member, who told me this, to confirm and write post about.

We need more transperency in poker world!

The lack of response is troubling, and not a good sign for future expectations when it comes to support and customer relations. If it's not profitable, why not say so? It's dishonest to stay silent on the subject when directly asked. And the identity of the owners is obviously relevant, especially if one of the owners ends up being someone who just "endorsed" the site, which, again, would be dishonest.

Don't leave us to speculate, given the odds. It can't be a better outcome for your company than just telling us the truth.

I will refrain from further posts, to avoid being annoying. I'll leave it to others to keep hammering them on these two essential questions.

I think this post explains it all and puts it all into perspective. I was going to ask if there is a connection to isle of man as well. But these questions are a waste of time. It's all quite obvious what this is. It's not for the players.

could you further define 'the players'

are you saying there is only one, homogeneous demographic of internet poker player?

Or, are their multiple demographics and you wish coin poker to server a certain one ? which one? why?

Here I'm referencing the players as a whole versus the "owners" etc. It's a derail though but I think it would be good to open that topic in the decentralized poker thread.

will do.

since it appears Coinrep isn't prepared yet to quickly answer any of the questions from above, maybe derail here is in order

Regarding to who owns CoinPoker I asked directly on their support chat, 3 admins came to "answer" me:

user-122 11:55 AM
Hi!
Anyone here?
Hello?

Ruta Admin 11:59 AM
@user-122 Hi there!

user-122 11:59 AM
Hi!
Could you please tell me who are the owners of CoinPoker?

Ruta Admin 12:00 PM
@user-122 Check our team here https://coinpoker.com/#team

coinpoker.com
CoinPoker: Play Poker Online Using Cryptocurrency
Welcome to CoinPoker, powered by blockchain technology via Ethereum. It‘s the best way to play poker online and win using your favourite cryptocurrency!

user-122 12:01 PM
Ye thanks, I already checked that, but team is a team and it is fine but I am asking about owners, so could you please tell me who owns CoinPoker?

Ruta?

paulius.m. Admin 12:08 PM
@user-122 All information regarding CP entity could be found in our TnC's

user-122 12:11 PM
Hm, it is a simple straightforward question You clearly avoiding that question to be answerd which seems quite worrying. And where can I find your TnC`s?

Tadas Admin 12:12 PM
You are welcome to check our TnC's here: https://coinpoker.com/tnc

coinpoker.com
CoinPoker - Terms and Conditions for ICO Participation
Welcome to CoinPoker, powered by blockchain technology via Ethereum. It‘s the best way to play poker online and win using your favourite cryptocurrency!

user-122 12:20 PM
This is obvious concealing. So no sense to ask anything further. Have a nice day.

Btw in their TnC the owners mentioned are Processing Fusion LTD but I couldnt find anything on them in Google. I found another firm with that name in Bristol but that one has nothing to do with CoinPoker (<- Processing Fusion LTD (the “CoinPoker” or “Company”), located at 33 Neas Engomis 2409 Engomi, Nicosia, Cyprus)...

2+2 cuts both ways for marketers.

Lots of views/clicks from lots of poker players, but you do open yourself up for review and discussion.