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Old 11-17-2017, 09:32 PM   #126
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Why wouldn't US residents be able to play ?

If you are going to side with the government or stupid poker laws I am not buying any tokens
They appear to be owned by TonyBet (a separate company using the TonyBet player database would be illegal). If CoinPoker serves USA (or other markets where poker is specifically illegal) TonyBet will lose their UK license (probably others too).
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Old 11-17-2017, 10:57 PM   #127
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Still no answer?
Only question itt not answered. How do we know that the owner of this site isn't a well known scumbag.
Not saying the owner is but your not saying who it is.
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Old 11-18-2017, 05:12 AM   #128
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What on earth are you talking about ?

I play in the US and Bovada , ACR and BetOnline cannot be blocked by the government - They tried but there's always a way to work around it and these sites for the past 6 years have been doing just that
Yes, usually there is a way, like proxy, VPN, alternate domains, etc. It's not a problem for regs but fish won't put effort into working around. Furthermore, if it's illegal to play, that means some risk for regs, too. Finally, I wouldn't bet on it that a powerful govt (like US') couldn't bring down the site if they want to. (Once again, there will be central gaming servers.) It's no coincidence that US citizens will be allowed to trade but not to play on the site (as it stands now).
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Old 11-18-2017, 05:39 AM   #129
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Hello thanks for your message,
I hope this will answer your question concerning fair play:
The CoinPoker Fairplay security and fraud system will monitor user actions to identify and eliminate unethical/robot play on a per account basis. For example, our algorithm will analyze all actions and characteristics of each account to distinguish between human and bot-like behavior. This will help identify unfair play, malignant solutions and programs, bots etc. Techniques that will be used are explained in details in our White Paper, Section 1.6:
https://coinpoker.com/downloads/coin....pdf?v20171116
You obviously missed my first post. Techniques listed in section 1.6 will hold back only noobs but won't cause much trouble for skilled ones who are able to put a bot software together. Obviously, they will configure their bots not to play too long without a break or to many tables simultaneously, etc. They can even bypass captcha and user input analysis by inserting a human into the process who just inputs the decisions calculated by the software into the poker client.

So once again, there is only one reliable method to detect bot play and collusion: statistical analysis. However, if new accounts can be registered with ease, this won't work neither. (They just need to re-reg with an appropriate frequency to bypass it.)

As you promise easy and anonymous registration requiring only an email address (see section 1.2.2), I ask the question again: what exact countermeasures are you going to have to prevent this behavior?
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Old 11-18-2017, 06:44 AM   #130
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Would love to see a poker crypto blockchain do amazing, both take up too much of my free time. 99.9%+ of icos are scams, beware nothing here impresses me.

If you guys are on a site that accepts cryptos, litecoin is the best way to transfer your coins from wallet/exchange to the poker site. It has 1 cent fees and blocks are mined every 2 mins *super fast transactions)
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Old 11-18-2017, 09:22 AM   #131
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Re: [ANN][ICO] CoinPoker: Poker future is today!

just read this whole thread for the first time. in no particular order a few questions/comments

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Josem's been a notorious cheerleader for Stars post-Amaya, having him on board is a red flag if anything.
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Josem may be a nice guy (I don't know him) but his stance on a lot of Pokerstars' recent changes makes me far more concerned that he is involved in this project than if he wasn't.

That's not meant as an attack on you Josem we just have vastly different opinions about how stars have conducted themselves over the past few years.
I only know Josem through 2+2, never met him (exchanged a single email him a a year ago so on unrelated topic) so, I have no skin in this, but I think the above thinking is out of line and would disagree strongly with both.

You might have hated the message that the new AmayaStars was spewing, but not sure you can put that on the messenger and thus hate on them. I mean some people do have jobs . and the thing about jobs, you kind of have to do what mgmt tells you to do. If you for whatever reason decide you dont want to do what mgmt wants, you either have to change their minds or go work somewhere else.


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It's been two days and they still don't seem to know their relationship to TonyBet. Odd that a straightforward question takes so long to answer, not sure anyone should be investing in this as it stands.
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If CoinPoker is an in-house TonyBet project on your UK license you need to update your CoinPoker website to show this. That's part of your license terms.

No idea why you'd be so vague about this - was the CoinPoker rep sitting in the TonyBet offices pretending not to know where they were?
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They appear to be owned by TonyBet (a separate company using the TonyBet player database would be illegal). If CoinPoker serves USA (or other markets where poker is specifically illegal) TonyBet will lose their UK license (probably others too).
Hmm interesting. UK License problem with accepting US players is pretty serious stuff. That with the suspicious emails doesn't pass smell test, Love the TonyG (Plays it like a set was one of the greatest moment in televised poker) but what has he gotten himself into and what did he do with all that money from the PokerNews sale?

More serious question that you and Sect72 have brought up .. who owns this site. What is relationship with CoinPoker and TonyBet?

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I really hope anyone who thinks poker on ETH is a good idea is following what's been going on with Parity Wallet this week.
Great point. Didnt want that post to get lost. Proponents of this new tech wave the "more secure" flag proudly and all the time. Wonder how customers of Parity Wallet feel about that.



Finally and in general it will be interesting to see how CoinPoker (and other similar sites) play out. I'd agree with several posts above that they need to stop harping on the "More Fair RNG" value prop. This is simply not a problem in the minds of vast majority of players.

Regarding the ICO, that is just some crazy chit. At a minimum CoinPoker just netted $3 - $5,000,000 for themselves from printing computer pixels (candy crush yo).

That should help pay for their past development and several months of burn.

Cool thing about this new world order, if they need more cash, I guess they can just hit the print button again and voila ! Well assuming CHPs are still a thing then.

If they get games going then CHP might remain to be a thing. IF not then CHP will revert back to standing for California Highway Patrol.
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Old 11-18-2017, 10:13 AM   #132
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I see two major questions unanswered, and if they remain so, EVERYONE SHOULD TAKE NOTICE:

1. What are the identities of the owners?
2. Will the games be profitable for the skilled players, including professionals and semi-professionals, given the rake redistribution model?

I cannot express to you how much I don't care about anything else. Please answer as clearly as possible. Short, concise answers will satisfy us.

Assuming you answer these questions, I say good luck with your project. If you don't answer them, I'd beg players, recreational to professional, to TAKE NOTICE.

Note: Before someone (Imp) answers the ownership question, I realize the TonyBet connection, but I want them to tell us the owner(s) name(s) themselves, for the sake of transparency, honesty and reputation integrity. I will assume the games are not profitable if they refuse to answer that question.
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Old 11-18-2017, 10:56 AM   #133
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just read this whole thread for the first time. in no particular order a few questions/comments





I only know Josem through 2+2, never met him (exchanged a single email him a a year ago so on unrelated topic) so, I have no skin in this, but I think the above thinking is out of line and would disagree strongly with both.

You might have hated the message that the new AmayaStars was spewing, but not sure you can put that on the messenger and thus hate on them. I mean some people do have jobs . and the thing about jobs, you kind of have to do what mgmt tells you to do. If you for whatever reason decide you dont want to do what mgmt wants, you either have to change their minds or go work somewhere else.
He's been very pro-Amaya since leaving the company. I understand that some people would put their personal beliefs to one side in their role as company spokesman - since leaving the company he's popped up in every Stars thread to defend them. These are his personal beliefs and it's perfectly fair to question them - Coin Poker are asking for donations from serious poker players but are being very vague about their attitude to those same players (vague about everything tbh). If Josem has any influence then CoinPoker will operate as Stars 2.0 (now with added blockchain) - is that something worth donating to?
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Old 11-18-2017, 11:51 AM   #134
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He's been very pro-Amaya since leaving the company. I understand that some people would put their personal beliefs to one side in their role as company spokesman - since leaving the company he's popped up in every Stars thread to defend them. These are his personal beliefs and it's perfectly fair to question them -
I'd agree thats a different thing and dont follow the current stars threads much so didnt know. I thought you all were only alluding to his past role(s) while at Amaya. my misunderstanding.


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Coin Poker are asking for donations from serious poker players but are being very vague about their attitude to those same players (vague about everything tbh). If Josem has any influence then CoinPoker will operate as Stars 2.0 (now with added blockchain) - is that something worth donating to?
Id agree with red part.

The blue part is conjecture on your part. time will tell.

1CHP still = .05 EUR according to their website. what forces will change this exchange rate? can this exchange rate be verified anywhere else? Can 1CHP actually be exchanged for .05 EUR right now?

Is more rake better ?

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Old 11-18-2017, 12:02 PM   #135
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Re: [ANN][ICO] CoinPoker: Poker future is today!

Will Pokertracker be compatible with this site, either as a HUD while playing or will the site allow hand history exports I can upload to my database?
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Old 11-18-2017, 01:08 PM   #136
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Will Pokertracker be compatible with this site, either as a HUD while playing or will the site allow hand history exports I can upload to my database?
Hello thank you for your message,
No you will not be able to use Pokertracker or any other tracker or hud with our application. Neither will it be possible to export hand history.
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Old 11-18-2017, 01:48 PM   #137
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Re: [ANN][ICO] CoinPoker: Poker future is today!

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@Coin_poker

Im in the US and Regulation is what we want to get away from
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I see two major questions unanswered, and if they remain so, EVERYONE SHOULD TAKE NOTICE:

1. What are the identities of the owners?
I hope all can understand that these two things are mutually exclusive.

There are many negative effects of regulation and I'm not a fan of those effects. Primary one being stifling of new technology innovation.

But there are many positive effects as well and I am a fan of those effects.
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In regulated world, ownership is known. In fact they been proven, to the best degree possible, to not be cockroaches. Even further they have been proven, to the best degree possible, to not hang around that much with known cockroaches or conduct any business with any known cockroaches.

Lets call it a Cockroach free zone... to the best degree possible. Cockroach free zones sound like a good idea vs the alternative.
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Old 11-18-2017, 07:20 PM   #138
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They appear to be owned by TonyBet (a separate company using the TonyBet player database would be illegal). If CoinPoker serves USA (or other markets where poker is specifically illegal) TonyBet will lose their UK license (probably others too).
TonyBet made a statement that they do not own Coinpoker
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Old 11-18-2017, 07:25 PM   #139
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Just checked , The presale is doing fantastic!

https://coinpoker.com/?utm_source=go...m_campaign=ico
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Old 11-19-2017, 08:57 AM   #140
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Re: [ANN][ICO] CoinPoker: Poker future is today!

coinpoker rep. two questions.

1) Congrats. you all collected ~$6,000,000 for yourselves in the ICO (plus another mill or so in the coin you held back, i think). I'm not sure how standard accounting works in this new crypto world. I assume $6.000.000+ is simply revenue and no impact on your balance sheet? You marketed and sold a product (CHP), for a price someone was willing to pay, is it that simple? If so, the margin on that is I guess infinite because pixels have no cost?

Were company insiders / affiliates allowed to participate in the ICO If so, what % of ICO was bought personally by insiders / affiliates?

Will the cash from your sales this month be used to pay back past development costs, fund your monthly burn (i.e salaries, player acquisition), just drop to your bottom line for month and be distributed to owners, or all of the above?

2) You arbitrarily set the price you sell CHP at .05EUR. Can anyone sell CHP for .05EUR? Where? What forces will impact this exchange rate? Is there any limit on how many CHPs you can print and sell?


edit one more. just saw this response from your rep on your chat board

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Hey @user-101 We have already received a confirmation that players from USA will be able to participate as investors. Our legal team is working hard to make sure they can play at CoinPoker as well. The outcome remains to be seen, but we are very optimistic about the chances
could you share some details on your "very optimistic" outlook for US players ability to play real money on your site.

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Old 11-19-2017, 09:20 AM   #141
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I heard rumours, amaya is behind a project. Coins were sold really fast, obviously capital was prepared ahead. As well on board, is ex pokerstars security boss, with close relation to Amaya.

I also asking a forum member, who told me this, to confirm and write post about.

We need more transperency in poker world!
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Old 11-19-2017, 11:58 AM   #142
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I see two major questions unanswered, and if they remain so, EVERYONE SHOULD TAKE NOTICE:

1. What are the identities of the owners?
2. Will the games be profitable for the skilled players, including professionals and semi-professionals, given the rake redistribution model?

I cannot express to you how much I don't care about anything else. Please answer as clearly as possible. Short, concise answers will satisfy us.
The lack of response is troubling, and not a good sign for future expectations when it comes to support and customer relations. If it's not profitable, why not say so? It's dishonest to stay silent on the subject when directly asked. And the identity of the owners is obviously relevant, especially if one of the owners ends up being someone who just "endorsed" the site, which, again, would be dishonest.

Don't leave us to speculate, given the odds. It can't be a better outcome for your company than just telling us the truth.

I will refrain from further posts, to avoid being annoying. I'll leave it to others to keep hammering them on these two essential questions.
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Old 11-19-2017, 01:18 PM   #143
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No you will not be able to use Pokertracker or any other tracker or hud with our application. Neither will it be possible to export hand history.
I think this post explains it all and puts it all into perspective. I was going to ask if there is a connection to isle of man as well. But these questions are a waste of time. It's all quite obvious what this is. It's not for the players.
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I think this post explains it all and puts it all into perspective. I was going to ask if there is a connection to isle of man as well. But these questions are a waste of time. It's all quite obvious what this is. It's not for the players.
could you further define 'the players'

are you saying there is only one, homogeneous demographic of internet poker player?

Or, are their multiple demographics and you wish coin poker to server a certain one ? which one? why?
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Here I'm referencing the players as a whole versus the "owners" etc. It's a derail though but I think it would be good to open that topic in the decentralized poker thread.
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Old 11-19-2017, 01:39 PM   #146
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will do.

since it appears Coinrep isn't prepared yet to quickly answer any of the questions from above, maybe derail here is in order
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Old 11-20-2017, 07:30 AM   #147
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Regarding to who owns CoinPoker I asked directly on their support chat, 3 admins came to "answer" me:

user-122 11:55 AM
Hi!
Anyone here?
Hello?

Ruta Admin 11:59 AM
@user-122 Hi there!

user-122 11:59 AM
Hi!
Could you please tell me who are the owners of CoinPoker?

Ruta Admin 12:00 PM
@user-122 Check our team here https://coinpoker.com/#team

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Welcome to CoinPoker, powered by blockchain technology via Ethereum. It‘s the best way to play poker online and win using your favourite cryptocurrency!

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Ye thanks, I already checked that, but team is a team and it is fine but I am asking about owners, so could you please tell me who owns CoinPoker?

Ruta?

paulius.m. Admin 12:08 PM
@user-122 All information regarding CP entity could be found in our TnC's

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Hm, it is a simple straightforward question You clearly avoiding that question to be answerd which seems quite worrying. And where can I find your TnC`s?

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You are welcome to check our TnC's here: https://coinpoker.com/tnc

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Welcome to CoinPoker, powered by blockchain technology via Ethereum. It‘s the best way to play poker online and win using your favourite cryptocurrency!

user-122 12:20 PM
This is obvious concealing. So no sense to ask anything further. Have a nice day.

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Old 11-20-2017, 07:38 AM   #148
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Btw in their TnC the owners mentioned are Processing Fusion LTD but I couldnt find anything on them in Google. I found another firm with that name in Bristol but that one has nothing to do with CoinPoker (<- Processing Fusion LTD (the “CoinPoker” or “Company”), located at 33 Neas Engomis 2409 Engomi, Nicosia, Cyprus)...
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2+2 cuts both ways for marketers.

Lots of views/clicks from lots of poker players, but you do open yourself up for review and discussion.
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