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Old 11-14-2017, 12:06 PM   #76
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TonyG recently confirmed himself that he is a backer of coinpoker, not sure why rep pretended not to know about his involvement.
Where is your citation? Anyone can invest and so I would think that this isn't saying anything.

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Well rep didn't answer me when I asked twice about whom the owners are. For me that's a big red flag.
Did you look at the team on the website. This supposed to be the ownership, so I'm not sure if you are asking something important here. If there ARE hidden owners not disclosed this project should be banned from 2p2.
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Old 11-14-2017, 01:02 PM   #77
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They must be owned/operated by TonyBet if they used their database to contact potential players. Surely anything else would be a breach of data protection laws?
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Old 11-14-2017, 01:04 PM   #78
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They must be owned/operated by TonyBet if they used their database to contact potential players. Surely anything else would be a breach of data protection laws?
It's definitely a security (related) issue. A project willing to spam based on emails not directly given to them is very suspect.
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Old 11-14-2017, 02:08 PM   #79
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Re: [ANN][ICO] CoinPoker: Poker future is today!

This is exactly how online poker should be!

I can't wait to play here and be able to have my money instantly.

Guys , this is it ...this also has the potential to facilitate the largest games we have ever seen online

– Greater transparency
– Faster deposit and withdrawal options
– Cheaper costs
– Removal of the payment processor (love this!)
– An RNG we all get to see
– Peer to peer cash transactions
– Improved security

News@ CalvinAyre : https://calvinayre.com/2017/11/14/bi...ite-coinpoker/
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Old 11-14-2017, 06:11 PM   #80
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This is exactly how online poker should be!

I can't wait to play here and be able to have my money instantly.

Guys , this is it ...this also has the potential to facilitate the largest games we have ever seen online

– Greater transparency
– Faster deposit and withdrawal options
– Cheaper costs
– Removal of the payment processor (love this!)
– An RNG we all get to see
– Peer to peer cash transactions
– Improved security

News@ CalvinAyre : https://calvinayre.com/2017/11/14/bi...ite-coinpoker/
In general yes, that is the way to go but it should be done properly so we should monitor closely the "process" and providers. CoinPoker is not really what they are promoting to be, they are not decentralized poker site (they are hybrid of common poker sites and blockchain) and tomorrow they will start selling their chips via SpectroCoin and reviews on SpectroCoin are not really encouraging: https://www.trustpilot.com/review/spectrocoin.com
Btw regarding to involvement of TonyG, he is an advisor on Bankera (https://bankera.com/#team) and Bankera is owner of SpectroCoin it seems. Just saying, dont really have an opinion on him yet...
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Old 11-14-2017, 07:32 PM   #81
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In addition to that there are some significant concerns as I see.

Anonimity seems great at first glance but it's probably a big pitfall that may kill the entire concept.

The major problem is that this makes the site a paradise for cheaters and bot runners. "The registration process will require only your email, alias and password and you’re ready to go", written in section 1.2.2 of the white paper. Deliberate collusion (or a well-crafted bot) could be identified only by analyzing a sufficient amount of samples using statistical methods. Every other countermeasure outlined in section 1.6 can be bypassed with ease. (Consider a bot software that only displays the decisions but a human inputs them into the poker client. This renders things like captcha, analysis of user input just useless.)

So as I mentioned above, cheaters smart enough could only be catched by analysis of hand histories. Now, if registration is so simple and painless, they just need to create new accounts with a proper frequency to pass undetected. Traditional sites do ID verification which makes this more difficult, but in your case I simply don't see what would hold them back.

Have no doubts, this is a serious problem. Botting and unethical play is heavily responsible for the current state of the industry. It's the cancer of online poker and at the moment it seems it'll kill it slowly but surely.

And there is another issue regarding anonimity. Paired with the blockchain technology it should be the key to join the separated poker markets. At least you say in section 1.2.1: "This process addresses two of the major concerns identified above. It opens up previously closed geographical markets and bypasses banks, e-wallets and other third-party brokers who create distrust in the poker community and cause payment delays."

Now, doesn't this raises questions regarding legality? Ok, online poker has been a grey zone in many places, players got used to it, probably could get along with it. But I'm afraid, governments could much less. This may be a considerable risk, as well. All the more so because the system is not fully decentralized. The servers coordinating the game could be blocked and then we gained nothing. The whitepaper doesn't touch this topic.

I'm looking forward to your point of view.
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Old 11-14-2017, 08:05 PM   #82
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Re: [ANN][ICO] CoinPoker: Poker future is today!

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TonyG recently confirmed himself that he is a backer of coinpoker, not sure why rep pretended not to know about his involvement.
I don't recall the rep saying anything either way about Tony G, other than that they wanted a day to come back with a response about their relationship with TonyBet.

Also, notice that Tony G's confirmation is more recent than CoinPoker's posts here about the question; perhaps they didn't want to get ahead of his announcement.

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Well rep didn't answer me when I asked twice about whom the owners are. For me that's a big red flag.
I'm assuming they will come back with something that relates to that when they respond about their relationship to TonyBet.

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Did you look at the team on the website. This supposed to be the ownership
What gives you that idea? I'm looking under the Team tab, and all I see is their leadership team, as well as some "Advisors & Partners". Did I miss something?

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In addition to that there are some significant concerns as I see.

Anonimity seems great at first glance but it's probably a big pitfall that may kill the entire concept.
Just want to throw a caution out there as to what this thread should be about. Not just for you (some of your questions/comments seem quite suitable for this thread), but others as well since I've seen some borderline posts.

This thread should be about questions specific to CoinPoker and what they're doing. We have other threads for general discussion about Bit/Alt Coins, ICOs, and decentralized poker.

Not looking to squelch any conversation, but this thread will become useless if it turns into a debate over the merits of more general concepts, that are already happening in threads suited for that purpose. Just wanted to put that out there to hopefully prevent future derails.
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Old 11-14-2017, 08:26 PM   #83
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What gives you that idea? I'm looking under the Team tab, and all I see is their leadership team, as well as some "Advisors & Partners". Did I miss something?
Bah, ya I know, i already realized that with the subsequent posts What gave me the idea is that in crypto the people responsible for the ico's are supposed to be the heads of the project. There isn't supposed to be hidden leadership.

I feel like the goal of this project is to sell it to a higher operator. So much of this is wrong to the standards of the crypto community and just as much is deceptively presented. Not sure its possible to figure out the truth.
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Old 11-15-2017, 01:27 AM   #84
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Re: [ANN][ICO] CoinPoker: Poker future is today!

since when has RNG been the main problem for online poker?? the current market will not accept this platform, there are much better alternatives playing out presently.
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Old 11-15-2017, 08:20 AM   #85
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I don't recall the rep saying anything either way about Tony G, other than that they wanted a day to come back with a response about their relationship with TonyBet.

Also, notice that Tony G's confirmation is more recent than CoinPoker's posts here about the question; perhaps they didn't want to get ahead of his announcement.
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How closely associated to TonyBet are you guys? Will TonyG be an advisor? After the confirmations of Stars being the owners of PokerNews, and TonyG having sold his shares in PN years ago, is Coin Poker actually owned/run/heavily associated with Stars?
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It would be great to have TonyG on board. That's a really good idea, let's hope this happens. We can confirm that Stars are not involved and it's an independent project. We expect to be an alternative for those who play poker.
Prior to this post Tony G, owner of tonybet, was already sending commercial coinpoker emails to tonybet customers, it would be naive to think he joined just couple days ago. I do not think having him on team is bad in anyway, just not being transparent about it looks poorly.
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Old 11-15-2017, 01:30 PM   #86
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Re: [ANN][ICO] CoinPoker: Poker future is today!

Thanks Bobo for posting what you did.

When I asked about the owners... what I'm really asking about it transparency. A company that won't divulge its owner is not a company that I would do business with. I offer no opinion on the merits or faults of coinpoker.
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Old 11-15-2017, 01:47 PM   #87
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Did you look at the team on the website. This supposed to be the ownership, so I'm not sure if you are asking something important here. If there ARE hidden owners not disclosed this project should be banned from 2p2.
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Bah, ya I know, i already realized that with the subsequent posts What gave me the idea is that in crypto the people responsible for the ico's are supposed to be the heads of the project. There isn't supposed to be hidden leadership.
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Thanks Bobo for posting what you did.

When I asked about the owners... what I'm really asking about it transparency. A company that won't divulge its owner is not a company that I would do business with. I offer no opinion on the merits or faults of coinpoker.
I think we have have come to a seminal point (ie identifying the first ico as a project/crowdsale on 2p2 designed to serve the developers and not the investors or customers). This project is not transparent at all like it claim to be. What it IS is not inline with what its whitepaper is claiming.

It claims to fix the problem of superuser accounts, but perfectly designed a back door for one.

It is sending unsolicited emails which is spam. This is always a hint of security problems to me.

It has an ex poker stars public relations person as their head of security. Both Josem and Pokerstars have a history of lying to the players through PR campaigns. This is not security, its quite the opposite.

And there are hidden owners. In crypto the developers own the project to the % they declare and the rest of the owners are investors in the crowd sale.

The worst part to me is that the crowd sale is tomorrow, and it was impossible to get all the significant questions answers just on security alone.

Under scrutiny of a tech crowd, especially in regard to security, this project would receive a 0-3 out of 10. If I were in charge of protecting players here (and the forum reputation) from scams, I would blacklist this project until it RADICALLY changed, and I'm not sure I would believe them anyways.

Perhaps this is going to far to say, but this project offends me. Just my 2 cents but I claim to have a lot of knowledge on this subject.
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Old 11-15-2017, 01:59 PM   #88
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Hello thank you for your message,
Please give us a day to come back to you and answer. Not that we do not want to answer, but please you can trust that we will get back to you very shortly!
Thanks!
It's been two days and they still don't seem to know their relationship to TonyBet. Odd that a straightforward question takes so long to answer, not sure anyone should be investing in this as it stands.
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Old 11-15-2017, 02:20 PM   #89
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People who are reading this topic also expect you answer to all questions and arguments against you.
Those people (including me) are still considering is this good investment or not.
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Old 11-15-2017, 03:21 PM   #90
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TonyG recently confirmed himself that he is a backer of coinpoker, not sure why rep pretended not to know about his involvement.
Thanks for Your patience. We really wanted to publish this info first:

https://www.pokernews.com/news/2017/...v-16-29350.htm

Tony and his team are supporting us and helped to make this project possible, with many aspects like advices, technical support and legal help.
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Old 11-15-2017, 03:24 PM   #91
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And what about the question above?
After we finally got solid legal advice – we want to clarify, that we don’t see problems for US citizens to get coins. However, this still not guarantee 100% chance that U.S. citizens or residents will be able play at the site.
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Old 11-15-2017, 03:26 PM   #92
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They just want to give the impression that they are abiding by US Regulations

But they have to cover for it by rejecting US IP addresses

I bought several ICO's and just used a TOR browser

In reality they can accept anyone or anybody to participate or to play and no one can do a damn thing about it

THEY DO NOT NEED PERMISSION FROM ANY REGULATORS , WE ARE USING CRYPTOS!

The fear is from the ICO Market as a whole in which they don't want governments attempting to shut down exchanges

After we finally got solid legal advice – we want to clarify, that we don’t see problems for US citizens to get coins. However, this still not guarantee 100% chance that U.S. citizens or residents will be able play at the site.
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Old 11-15-2017, 03:47 PM   #93
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Thanks for Your patience. We really wanted to publish this info first:
The article quotes Tony G announcing he is backing the project and his announcement is from 3 days ago.
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Old 11-15-2017, 03:55 PM   #94
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Thanks for Your patience. We really wanted to publish this info first:

https://www.pokernews.com/news/2017/...v-16-29350.htm

Tony and his team are supporting us and helped to make this project possible, with many aspects like advices, technical support and legal help.
There's nothing new in that article - it reads like a paid advertisement for your ICO.

This thread's basically a staking request where you refuse to answer any questions. Maybe there's enough buzz around crypto in the poker world and you'll sell all your coins anyway. Who knows.
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Old 11-15-2017, 07:27 PM   #95
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Thanks for Your patience...
Is this the full response that we can expect on the matter of the association between TonyBet and CoinPoker? I am a little surprised at your post, where you are not addressing the fact that you have purchased/stolen/hacked or simply been handed a database of private information, which you have then used to market your site.

This clearly shows that private data on TonyBet is not secure, as it is being passed to 3rd parties. Since “Tony and his team” are helping you “with many aspects like advices”, can we expect that CoinPoker will also have the same stance with regards to player data? It doesn’t seem too secure to me. Who exactly was this decision run by with regards to emailing another company’s database, and how was the proposal ever approved?

Since you have more than enough information on TonyBet users, can we expected that everyone who has an account on TonyBet automatically have an account created on CoinPoker, without the need to actually sign up or make a purchase? Will the user have the same password as on TonyBet, or will each account be emailed with a link where the user can choose a new password?

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Who exactly is “us” in this case? Is it just the people listed on your website or are there more senior/director positions that have been filled and are not listed?
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Old 11-16-2017, 05:16 AM   #96
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Hi,

Yes, TonyBet and CoinPoker are different brands, but don’t be too quick to judge.

We agreed to share our licenses in some markets to run legal operations under JV agreement (after our regulators confirmed that it is possible to run a poker room in cryptos under the license). We can assure your private data is safe and it was/is/will not be passed to any 3rd party. It was just an informational newsletter about a partnered brand sent to those who might be interested in such project.
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We can assure your private data is safe and it was/is/will not be passed to any 3rd party.
No you can't.
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Old 11-16-2017, 09:42 AM   #98
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Hi,

Yes, TonyBet and CoinPoker are different brands, but don’t be too quick to judge.

We agreed to share our licenses in some markets to run legal operations under JV agreement (after our regulators confirmed that it is possible to run a poker room in cryptos under the license). We can assure your private data is safe and it was/is/will not be passed to any 3rd party. It was just an informational newsletter about a partnered brand sent to those who might be interested in such project.
If CoinPoker is an in-house TonyBet project on your UK license you need to update your CoinPoker website to show this. That's part of your license terms.

No idea why you'd be so vague about this - was the CoinPoker rep sitting in the TonyBet offices pretending not to know where they were?
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CoinPoker pre-ICO is LIVE! See how you can join the party here: https://coinpoker.com/how-to
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If CoinPoker is an in-house TonyBet project on your UK license you need to update your CoinPoker website to show this. That's part of your license terms.

No idea why you'd be so vague about this - was the CoinPoker rep sitting in the TonyBet offices pretending not to know where they were?
It is not on UK license yet. However, we are very positive for UK too, while UK Gambling Commision allows cryptos already! Some legal stuff needs to be done still, but we expect to have UKGC license until ICO begins.
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