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Old 12-23-2015, 01:48 PM   #76
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Re: 888poker - A safe haven for bots

I wonder if we'll see some Bots disappear when 888 remove the downgrade option?

This could be interesting.

This was posted on a popular Botting support forum.

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Yesterday 888 rolled out their new poker client upgrade wide, version 25. This version breaks the bot completely and will result in us dropping support for 888 for an extended period (probably 1-3 months) if it becomes a forced upgrade.

Fortunately, 888 is making available a downgrade to version 24 of their poker client, , which is required for our bot to work:

setupspoker.images4us.com/setups/888poker/EN/p-1-en-4-6.17-0/24/SetupFiles/GIB/FULL/888pokersetup.exe

Here is a link to an explanation from the 888 representative:

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/28.../index893.html

You should be able to continue to use the bot at 888 as long as version 24 of their poker client remains usable.
888Rep, Lessu, what are your thoughts?
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Old 12-24-2015, 12:14 AM   #77
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Re: 888poker - A safe haven for bots

I have tried telling 888rep and he is aware but now over a month still active for bots this is disgraceful
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Old 12-24-2015, 06:47 AM   #78
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Re: 888poker - A safe haven for bots

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I wonder if we'll see some Bots disappear when 888 remove the downgrade option?
I guess that would be the only positive effect from the new update, but it's just a temporary thing. As the new client could already be used for 2 or 3 weeks, I am sure they are close to make their crap bots work again before 888s upgrade becomes final.

It really sucks to see them playing every day :/ I've played a lot against dadd*wor*s and Vi*olent lately.
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Old 12-26-2015, 05:34 PM   #79
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Re: 888poker - A safe haven for bots

If Kajizragore is a bot he doesn't seem to play like the others.

    Pacific, $0.50/$1 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 5 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #37202491

    Hero (MP): $189.27 (189.3 bb)
    kajizragore (CO): $271.84 (271.8 bb)
    klqq977 (BTN): $101.48 (101.5 bb)
    dojson (SB): $100 (100 bb)
    eazyspeaks (BB): $113 (113 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is MP with T A :: ::
    Hero raises to $3.50, kajizragore calls $3.50, 3 folds

    Flop: ($8.50) 9 J 7 (2 players)
    Hero bets $6.37, kajizragore calls $6.37

    Turn: ($21.24) 4 (2 players)
    Hero bets $15.93, kajizragore calls $15.93

    River: ($53.10) 5 (2 players)
    Hero bets $39.82, kajizragore calls $39.82

    Spoiler:



    Get the Flash Player to use the Hold'em Manager Replayer.
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    Old 12-27-2015, 03:40 AM   #80
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    Well I looked for similar hands from KOKO and right away found one where he calls down 3/4 pot bets light ish. Probably best we don't analyze these too much on a public forum though, right ?

    I took a look at kaji's stats again and I have 150k sample of him and I am 100% sure he is a member of this bot ring.

      Pacific, $3/$6 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 9 Players
      Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #37202581

      UTG+2: $600 (100 bb)
      MP1: $2,208.13 (368 bb)
      MP2: $600 (100 bb)
      MP3: $175.64 (29.3 bb)
      CO: $600 (100 bb)
      BTN: $461.53 (76.9 bb)
      SB: $418.16 (69.7 bb)
      BB: $249.43 (41.6 bb)
      UTG+1: $1,926.05 (321 bb)

      Preflop:
      3 folds, MP2 raises to $18, MP3 folds, CO calls $18, 2 folds, BB calls $12

      Flop: ($57) 6 9 4 (3 players)
      MP2 bets $34.50, CO calls $34.50, BB folds

      Turn: ($126) K (2 players)
      MP2 bets $94.50, CO calls $94.50

      River: ($315) K (2 players)
      MP2 bets $236.25, CO calls $236.25

      Results: $787.50 pot ($4 rake)
      Final Board: 6 9 4 K K
      MP2 showed 4 4 :: :: and won $783.50 ($400.25 net)
      CO showed 9 J :: :: and lost (-$383.25 net)



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      Old 12-27-2015, 03:55 AM   #81
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      Re: 888poker - A safe haven for bots

      If you say he's a bot I'm sure you're right!
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      Old 01-22-2016, 04:18 PM   #82
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      Re: 888poker - A safe haven for bots

      Quote:
      Originally Posted by 018125 View Post
      If Kajizragore is a bot he doesn't seem to play like the others.

        Pacific, $0.50/$1 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 5 Players
        Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #37202491

        Hero (MP): $189.27 (189.3 bb)
        kajizragore (CO): $271.84 (271.8 bb)
        klqq977 (BTN): $101.48 (101.5 bb)
        dojson (SB): $100 (100 bb)
        eazyspeaks (BB): $113 (113 bb)

        Preflop: Hero is MP with T A :: ::
        Hero raises to $3.50, kajizragore calls $3.50, 3 folds

        Flop: ($8.50) 9 J 7 (2 players)
        Hero bets $6.37, kajizragore calls $6.37

        Turn: ($21.24) 4 (2 players)
        Hero bets $15.93, kajizragore calls $15.93

        River: ($53.10) 5 (2 players)
        Hero bets $39.82, kajizragore calls $39.82

        Spoiler:



        Get the Flash Player to use the Hold'em Manager Replayer.
        Robot or not, I wanna play against this guy lol.
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        Old 02-16-2016, 04:02 AM   #83
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        Re: 888poker - A safe haven for bots

        Update for those who don't follow the main 888 thread.

        Bots are still playing even after multiple reports and thorough analysis explaining why these players aren't humans.

        888poker either allowing the bots or incompetent interpreting the data reported to them and the data they get from their systems

        Owner of a big bot site on his public forum

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        Old 02-16-2016, 04:23 AM   #84
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        Re: 888poker - A safe haven for bots

        Quote:
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        Update for those who don't follow the main 888 thread.

        Bots are still playing even after multiple reports and thorough analysis explaining why these players aren't humans.

        888poker either allowing the bots or incompetent interpreting the data reported to them and the data they get from their systems
        Thanks for all the hard work leesu.

        Absolutely shocking how incompetent/corrupt security departments at these sites are. If it costs money for them (which good security protecting players does) then I guess they are not interested.
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        Old 03-26-2016, 12:12 PM   #85
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        Re: 888poker - A safe haven for bots

        Update

        Viiolent, VSmode, daddyworks, gazugazu and kajizragore are now gone. AnimalFairy should be next.

        There are 3 others which I've reported but won't name to not alert them as 888 is now finally addressing the problem.
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        Old 03-26-2016, 12:42 PM   #86
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        Re: 888poker - A safe haven for bots

        Good to see them taking things seriously at last. Hopefully they continue to improve.

        Cheers for all your efforts Lessu, it must have been a test of your patience at times.
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        Old 04-19-2016, 07:00 AM   #87
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        Re: 888poker - A safe haven for bots

        good thread and good efforts inside - keep it up!
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        Old 04-21-2016, 04:24 PM   #88
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        Re: 888poker - A safe haven for bots

        So, whats happening? Ive seen a couple of new nicks that are suspicious.
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        Old 04-22-2016, 03:48 AM   #89
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        Re: 888poker - A safe haven for bots

        A dozen or so already banned in the past 10 months after first reports. There are at least 6 more that are still active which I've reported 3 weeks ago. There is progress but just very very slow...
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        Old 04-22-2016, 03:56 AM   #90
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        Re: 888poker - A safe haven for bots

        Good job Lessu, I, and am sure everyone reading this, really appreciates your hard work. I do not play on scummy/no RB 888 anymore, but bots are worrisome for the whole ecosystem, not just a specific site that is not worthy of your efforts
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        Old 04-22-2016, 05:49 AM   #91
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        Thank you!

        So to provide a proper update, here are the already banned accounts. By banned I mean stopped playing as we can't know what has actually happened. Still waiting for answers to what happens to the money if 888 confiscated any. We all know it hasn't returned to the players.

        Closed accounts:

        KOKOKKOLO
        breakingtheW
        kajizragore
        gazugazu
        Viiolent
        daddyworks
        VSmode
        lostinchips
        VneZakona

        Still active:

        AnimalFairy
        EmptyWallett
        dare2allin
        SaintLama
        SmaleePie
        peterx3

        There are probably more and anyone who knows how to detect one feel free to post here or PM me and I can take a look and add to my report to 888.
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        Old 04-22-2016, 06:12 AM   #92
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        Thanks for all the hard work lessu
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        Old 04-23-2016, 10:16 AM   #93
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        Re: 888poker - A safe haven for bots

        yeah, big kudos for the work
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        Old 04-24-2016, 09:49 AM   #94
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        Hey!

        I also can/could confirm from some analyzing some suspicions here - I am just not sure if it is really a good idea to do that in a public thread?

        still, as already ,mentioned before - great work and keep it up!
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        Old 04-24-2016, 11:29 AM   #95
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        Are u sure about Peterx3? He has stats that make me believe he is not a bot. If so son of a goddam b.
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        Old 04-24-2016, 12:56 PM   #96
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        Not the clearest case I've had but yes I'm sure.

        Won't say more publicly. Feel free to PM to discuss (unless you're one of them )
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        Old 04-26-2016, 04:27 AM   #97
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        Great job Lessu.
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        Old 04-26-2016, 05:20 AM   #98
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        Re: 888poker - A safe haven for bots

        Are bots more prominent on certain sites. I'm lead to believe stars takes major steps to spot stuff like this....or are all sites the same regarding bot activity?
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        Old 04-26-2016, 10:06 AM   #99
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        Thank you, all!

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        Are bots more prominent on certain sites. I'm lead to believe stars takes major steps to spot stuff like this....or are all sites the same regarding bot activity?
        Even Stars didn't detect this bot before players reported them.

        I only know players reporting them on stars, party and 888 so I'm guessing ipoker and microgaming are full of them at the moment unless someone is working on it there.
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        Old 04-26-2016, 01:09 PM   #100
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        Thank you Lessu
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