Two Plus Two Publishing LLC
Two Plus Two Publishing LLC
 

Go Back   Two Plus Two Poker Forums > >

Notices

Internet Poker Discussions of Internet poker venues, including RB & bonuses.

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 11-12-2015, 08:44 AM   #51
Lessu
Thailand Guru
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Finn Land
Posts: 9,000
Re: 888poker - A safe haven for bots

Another account part of this bot ring just moved up so I had missed him earlier.

His SN is VSmode

What would you guys think about a sitout protest on 888 in a few weeks?

Plan/goal would be to get a few dozen players to join at a certain time and then sitout at the max 6 tables of your standard games where you would write into the chat about 888 ignoring the bots, not disclosing whether they are allowing the bots to withdraw (if their accounts are closed) or if 888 is keeping the money. Some one-liners would be formed before the date.

At worst, we'd get the message out there to more 888 players. Hopefully 888 would come to their senses before the date and change the way they are addressing the situation at the moment.

I'd start a new thread where I'd state what has happened with this situation so far on 888 and other sites and then the plan about the future.

Who would be in?
Lessu is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-15-2015, 12:50 AM   #52
JubJub
enthusiast
 
Join Date: Jul 2014
Posts: 76
Re: 888poker - A safe haven for bots

viiolent seems pretty exploitable to me
JubJub is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-15-2015, 07:51 PM   #53
Any2Cards2008
journeyman
 
Any2Cards2008's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Posts: 369
Re: 888poker - A safe haven for bots

Quote:
Originally Posted by Lessu View Post
Another account part of this bot ring just moved up so I had missed him earlier.

His SN is VSmode

What would you guys think about a sitout protest on 888 in a few weeks?

Plan/goal would be to get a few dozen players to join at a certain time and then sitout at the max 6 tables of your standard games where you would write into the chat about 888 ignoring the bots, not disclosing whether they are allowing the bots to withdraw (if their accounts are closed) or if 888 is keeping the money. Some one-liners would be formed before the date.

At worst, we'd get the message out there to more 888 players. Hopefully 888 would come to their senses before the date and change the way they are addressing the situation at the moment.

I'd start a new thread where I'd state what has happened with this situation so far on 888 and other sites and then the plan about the future.

Who would be in?
+1
Those stats are rediculous 100% they are all the same player and should be banned yesterday!
Any2Cards2008 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-19-2015, 04:08 PM   #54
Got Ace ?
stranger
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Posts: 14
Re: 888poker - A safe haven for bots

Though about creating another thread, but i guess this one will work fine also.

So i've been playing over a year on 888 and found some of these bots too.
I wrote a message to support of both 888's and Lotos Poker room (same poker network) in both russian and english on 7th of October with detailed information, screenshots with same stats and etc.
You all know how to identify them and we will skeep this part. But what i can say that they can be identified pretty easily since their game is just a golden sample of word "Copy".
I have received an answer in Russian on 11th and in english on 12th that the data was transfered to apropriate department...and that's all, all this accounts are still playing...there are tons of them... they literally pump out money from tables...imagine a picture like i saw - one weak player and 4 bots on 1 table same time...
Who knows, they might even swap card information (

so the nicknames are:
1)holode
2)svet900
3)archvit
4)drevni007
5)ofsyankasir
6)kahhuna
7)f19117
8)hotaair
9)tsonn
10)yahont
11)doldonrex
12)gorman48
13)foxikok
14)b3tshark57
15)zboxx
16)jumbrik
17)zalipanch
18)okyh6
19)barglot
20)gansmen
21)stierlitzzz
and many more, if u have a big DB you can check more. i thought that it should be ebough for security staff, but they don't giva an F.
Im also going to create same thread or join any on Russian forums to draw attention to the problem.
Got Ace ? is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-19-2015, 05:39 PM   #55
Lessu
Thailand Guru
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Finn Land
Posts: 9,000
Re: 888poker - A safe haven for bots

Yeah, unfortunately they don't care.

Thanks for the list, though. I recognize gansmen as I've reported him previously. I'll check the other names tomorrow in case I have any hands on them.

Unfortunately for anyone else but for these bot account owners, 888's security department is beyond incompetent. We can only wish they hire someone who understands poker at some point.

We have next steps planned but it will take some time before we can implement them. In the meantime, spread the word in the forums about the problem and out the bots in the 888 table chats.
Lessu is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-19-2015, 07:23 PM   #56
Fishtankz
Carpal \'Tunnel
 
Fishtankz's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2012
Posts: 6,250
Re: 888poker - A safe haven for bots

Contact UKGC or Gibraltar Gambling Commission?
Fishtankz is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-20-2015, 06:04 AM   #57
Lessu
Thailand Guru
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Finn Land
Posts: 9,000
Re: 888poker - A safe haven for bots

That's part of the plan, yes.
Lessu is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-20-2015, 09:29 AM   #58
Got Ace ?
stranger
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Posts: 14
Re: 888poker - A safe haven for bots

In case that some Russian speaking players can read this thread - http://forum.gipsyteam.ru/index.php?showtopic=107851 - made a thread on biggest poker site in Russian Federation.
Got Ace ? is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-20-2015, 03:45 PM   #59
Got Ace ?
stranger
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Posts: 14
Re: 888poker - A safe haven for bots

since i decided to show evidence in Russian community, doing so here, part of what i wrote to support:

So all players have next stats VPIP ~23 PFR ~20 3Bet~10 4b~17 and Aggression~45 and WTSD ~23\WONatSD~48 and Won when saw flop 50, there are no more players that have at least vpip + pfr + 3b and same agression (which is very high for this limits and are not typical at all) and many postflop stats (like fold BB~80\SB~70\BBvsSB~55 vs steal percentage , continuation bets and etc) which i will also show(not all but enough, i guess you can check everything yourself). And again they play indiferrently to other players like they have no enemies\foes, they react to all players equally and not having any regwars. (which is rarely happens to real players)

Spoiler:

Spoiler:

Spoiler:

Spoiler:

Spoiler:

Spoiler:
Got Ace ? is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-20-2015, 05:55 PM   #60
Lessu
Thailand Guru
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Finn Land
Posts: 9,000
Re: 888poker - A safe haven for bots

You are doing a good job but here is one example how we are just wasting our time.

This shows how much 888poker cares about bots (along with iPoker) as there is a site that has an open forum for a poker bots that has had 888 poker as one of its supported sites since 2008.





to find the site just google bonus bots. makes me sick there is an open forum like that and 888poker doesn't care
Lessu is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-20-2015, 06:05 PM   #61
Got Ace ?
stranger
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Posts: 14
Re: 888poker - A safe haven for bots

Well, one russian pro player advised me to gather more regs and make a collective letter with more stats and evidence as the next step since it has more "stopping power" and i guess gambling comissions are a good start also, if we attach a copy of collective letter to whatever thing regulate 888 work - would be great too.
Got Ace ? is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-21-2015, 07:14 AM   #62
Lessu
Thailand Guru
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Finn Land
Posts: 9,000
Re: 888poker - A safe haven for bots

Yeah, I didn't mean to give up. That was more of a needle towards 888
Lessu is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-21-2015, 08:04 AM   #63
dia
veteran
 
dia's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Posts: 2,700
Re: 888poker - A safe haven for bots

I onced played on 888 like a bit more than a year ago. This post appeared: https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/28...poker-1455008/
As it h appened I was a reg in those games and "knew" like all the bots and had quite a sample on them and already suspected something. After this initial thread nearly all of those bots disapperead.

After a few days more of those players with those stats joined. Since I played a lot at this time, I was quickly able to gather hands on them. I reported them in silence and tehy were gone afterwards again. It seems like nothing really has changed at 888.

Also as a note, I was not compensated anything even tough I lost quite a bit to those bots. There also was no official response, they were simply gone from one day to another.

I think they handle the bot problem in a horrible way and not getting anything from this back made me quit this site.
dia is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-21-2015, 04:22 PM   #64
Got Ace ?
stranger
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Posts: 14
Re: 888poker - A safe haven for bots

the only way i see it is that the bots are used with help or by employee\s of 888... cause even dumbness can't explain such a terrible state of things...
Got Ace ? is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-23-2015, 11:47 AM   #65
viking1
grinder
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Posts: 682
Re: 888poker - A safe haven for bots

If your so upset about this play at Pokerstars instead, no bots there.

I think sites like 888 and WPN profit from bots so they just keep it going.
viking1 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-23-2015, 12:51 PM   #66
WayneX2
centurion
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Posts: 185
Re: 888poker - A safe haven for bots

Quote:
Originally Posted by viking1 View Post
If your so upset about this play at Pokerstars instead, no bots there.
You're wrong
WayneX2 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-23-2015, 01:18 PM   #67
Lessu
Thailand Guru
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Finn Land
Posts: 9,000
Re: 888poker - A safe haven for bots

Quote:
Originally Posted by viking1 View Post
If your so upset about this play at Pokerstars instead, no bots there.

I think sites like 888 and WPN profit from bots so they just keep it going.
I don't play much on stars at the moment but if you want to see this bot in action on stars, one account I remember is got_nuts999. And I'm sure there are many more.
Lessu is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-23-2015, 06:16 PM   #68
deleted acct
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Re: 888poker - A safe haven for bots

LOL @ 888 compensating any of the victims. You're talking about a site that steals 10% of people's balance every month if they go inactive for 6 months. Those people are the worst kind of greedy incompetent scum.

Thanks for everything you and your friends do Lessu! It gives me a slight glimmer of hope. Eventually bot makers will run out of identities to use right???????? Ok maybe not

Last edited by deleted acct; 11-23-2015 at 06:44 PM.
  Reply With Quote
Old 11-24-2015, 09:23 AM   #69
centebakkie
Pooh-Bah
 
centebakkie's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2011
Location: ☯☮❄☣
Posts: 3,559
Re: 888poker - A safe haven for bots

Quote:
Originally Posted by viking1 View Post
If your so upset about this play at Pokerstars instead, no bots there.

I think sites like 888 and WPN profit from bots so they just keep it going.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lessu View Post
I don't play much on stars at the moment but if you want to see this bot in action on stars, one account I remember is got_nuts999. And I'm sure there are many more.

The PLO bots on stars:

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/15...-them-1537778/

Cliffs: lots of bots on every site
centebakkie is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-13-2015, 02:51 PM   #70
Lessu
Thailand Guru
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Finn Land
Posts: 9,000
Re: 888poker - A safe haven for bots

Still active bots on 888 (if you think there are more, post or PM me with SNs)

AnimalFairy
VSmode
daddyworks
Viiolent
gazugazu

If someone has access to "russian ptr", could you take screen shots of their stats there and post here or PM them to me. Please and thanks!
Lessu is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-13-2015, 03:00 PM   #71
Lessu
Thailand Guru
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Finn Land
Posts: 9,000
Re: 888poker - A safe haven for bots

Quote:
Originally Posted by Got Ace ? View Post
Though about creating another thread, but i guess this one will work fine also.

So i've been playing over a year on 888 and found some of these bots too.
I wrote a message to support of both 888's and Lotos Poker room (same poker network) in both russian and english on 7th of October with detailed information, screenshots with same stats and etc.
You all know how to identify them and we will skeep this part. But what i can say that they can be identified pretty easily since their game is just a golden sample of word "Copy".
I have received an answer in Russian on 11th and in english on 12th that the data was transfered to apropriate department...and that's all, all this accounts are still playing...there are tons of them... they literally pump out money from tables...imagine a picture like i saw - one weak player and 4 bots on 1 table same time...
Who knows, they might even swap card information (

so the nicknames are:
1)holode
2)svet900
3)archvit
4)drevni007
5)ofsyankasir
6)kahhuna
7)f19117
8)hotaair
9)tsonn
10)yahont
11)doldonrex
12)gorman48
13)foxikok
14)b3tshark57
15)zboxx
16)jumbrik
17)zalipanch
18)okyh6
19)barglot
20)gansmen
21)stierlitzzz
and many more, if u have a big DB you can check more. i thought that it should be ebough for security staff, but they don't giva an F.
Im also going to create same thread or join any on Russian forums to draw attention to the problem.
I finally had time to take a look at your list

Of these, okyh6 fits the bot I'm looking for perfectly

f19117, gansmen and yahont are close as well.

I don't have any hands on the others
Lessu is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-14-2015, 07:47 PM   #72
DaJoker1988
journeyman
 
Join Date: May 2011
Posts: 377
Re: 888poker - A safe haven for bots

Thank you for the great work man ! If there is any strike im gonna join !
This is so ****ing frustrating cuz i played with some of them and still played against VsMode last week ! Do you have any information on FR bots NL100+ ?

Last edited by Mike Haven; 12-15-2015 at 06:24 PM.
DaJoker1988 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-15-2015, 06:22 AM   #73
Lessu
Thailand Guru
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Finn Land
Posts: 9,000
Re: 888poker - A safe haven for bots

Some of them play FR as well.
Lessu is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-15-2015, 04:03 PM   #74
ArtyMcFly
Carpal \'Tunnel
 
ArtyMcFly's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2014
Location: Enchantment Under the Sea
Posts: 9,999
Re: 888poker - A safe haven for bots

I just wanted to give props to Lessu for the work he's doing. Keep fighting the good fight. I've not played on 888 for a while, but I'm not going to play on 888 again until they show a commitment to dealing with the problem.
ArtyMcFly is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-23-2015, 12:51 PM   #75
018125
centurion
 
Join Date: Dec 2015
Posts: 168
Re: 888poker - A safe haven for bots

Disappointing to see most of the bots outed in this thread still playing.

Just today I've seen AnimalFairy, VSmode and gazugazu.

On a side note what happened to PTR? Has it closed for good or is it just down for me?
018125 is offline   Reply With Quote

Reply
      

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off


Forum Jump


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 11:37 PM.


Powered by vBulletin®
Copyright ©2000 - 2018, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright © 2008-2017, Two Plus Two Interactive
 
 
Poker Players - Streaming Live Online