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Old 08-21-2015, 03:39 AM   #2401
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Re: 3rd Party Software on PokerStars: Proposed Rule Changes

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Why? I'm don' get it... probably due to my poor english.
Are you saying that in the future new (higher taxes) will be declared?
Just that there is always some new controversy just around the corner, there will pretty much always be stuff to moan about - the one I was thinking of is differentiated rake but we know that's coming already.
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Old 08-21-2015, 02:20 PM   #2402
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HUDs may not:
• Have statistics which are filtered based on card values. For example, AGGRESSION
FREQUENCY is fine, AGGRESSION FREQUENCY ON FLUSH DRAW BOARDS is not.
• Dynamically change which statistics are shown after the cards are dealt. For example,
displaying FOLD TO CBET but only after a flop is seen is prohibited.
• Dynamically change which statistics are shown based on player/opponent tendencies. For example, displaying FOLD TO CBET but only for players that have high folds to continuation bets is prohibited.
Rate, label, categorise or stereotype players based on their tendencies
• Display graphical representations of more than one numerical datapoint. For example, bet size / hand strength scatter plots are prohibited but a 0-100 “temperature gauge”
representation of a player’s VPIP is permitted.
Why is this bad? If you dont care how much players fold to the flop c-bet when playing preflop and set it to be shown at the flop only and same for turn and river stats you dont need/want to see at other streets it is usefull to save space at the screen and it doesnt give any advantage.
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Old 08-21-2015, 06:01 PM   #2403
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Re: 3rd Party Software on PokerStars: Proposed Rule Changes

Seems like a set of rules drawn up by a committee.
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Old 08-21-2015, 07:01 PM   #2404
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Re: 3rd Party Software on PokerStars: Proposed Rule Changes

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Why is this bad? If you dont care how much players fold to the flop c-bet when playing preflop and set it to be shown at the flop only and same for turn and river stats you dont need/want to see at other streets it is usefull to save space at the screen and it doesnt give any advantage.
yes it clearly doesn't give an advantage, that cbet will be shown every time, it's not like it's just shown only when they fold a lot.
My guess is they do it to be consistent with the idea of not allowing the hud to change based on the action and it has silly side-effects like not allowing that.
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Old 08-22-2015, 02:42 AM   #2405
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Re: 3rd Party Software on PokerStars: Proposed Rule Changes

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Will be enforced at the supply side - there's no way PT4, HEM2 etc won't comply with rules changes and not many have the ability to code their own tracking software.

software?
yeah, is perfect so now the bast mayority of people can't haev access to it but some random Rusian programers and bot makers will eb able to have their own super advanced HUDs and so you think this is fair?
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Old 08-22-2015, 02:50 AM   #2406
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Re: 3rd Party Software on PokerStars: Proposed Rule Changes

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After a quick once over...

One of the earliest features of PokerTracker 2 and PokerOffice is now banned (putting an icon of a rock on a nit)

Notecaddy looks rekt. (sparklines / scattergraphs gone, badges gone unless showing for all players at all times)
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Yeah, this is nonsense, so now the HUD can't show a rock for a nit? come on... also you said badges are gone unless showing for all players at all times, can you elaborate a little more into that?

Badges in my HUD are a colored representation of a stat and shows all the time for all players, I think they should be fine, but how can I know if they will be allowed?

this is my HUD : http://www.pokerhuds.com/mtt-hud-hol...r-2-notecaddy/

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Old 08-22-2015, 02:59 AM   #2407
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Re: 3rd Party Software on PokerStars: Proposed Rule Changes

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You may be getting ahead of yourself on that one. This is a temporary setback but I've spent the last 5.5 years adding value for paying customers and I am not about to let amaya take me to hell with them without a fight. I played by their rules and will continue to do so, of course
Yes please put up the fight, there are too many people that supports you!
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Old 08-22-2015, 03:24 AM   #2408
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Re: 3rd Party Software on PokerStars: Proposed Rule Changes

Now they lock some functions in note caddy. What's the point? Now increases the gap between fraudsters and normal player. A normal programmer can write a program for yourself and run it on a second computer, where automatically arrive hands. Where these functions then operate. How does they check PokerStars ?? For me PokerStars died..I will not let me piss of any Russian poker players ... who cheats

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Old 08-22-2015, 04:35 AM   #2409
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Re: 3rd Party Software on PokerStars: Proposed Rule Changes

I have a question toPokerStars. What do you want to do? For example, if a player hands are automatically sent via the cloud on a second computer where a database constructed, which indicates precisely this information, which are now blocked. Would the fraud between normal players and scammers not bigger?
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Old 08-22-2015, 04:44 AM   #2410
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Would the fraud between normal players and scammers not bigger?
The same question applies for preflop charts - the 1 a4 rule only impacts honest players
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Old 08-22-2015, 05:56 AM   #2411
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Re: 3rd Party Software on PokerStars: Proposed Rule Changes

Looks like Stars are just coming up with a bunch of changes that they'll never be able to enforce, once again putting honest players at a disadvantage. As a simple example, creating a stat that shows how often someone folds to a cbet on an Ace high flop seems to be banned under the new rules but it's something that's easy to do and will be impossible for them to detect.
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Old 08-22-2015, 06:25 AM   #2412
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yeah, is perfect so now the bast mayority of people can't haev access to it but some random Rusian programers and bot makers will eb able to have their own super advanced HUDs and so you think this is fair?
If people spend the time to write private programs (which anyway can include bots, advisor software) to compete when playing for the kinds of lol micro stakes* that make up most of the games online then they are wasting their time and I don't expect to be facing many people like that at my end of the food chain. As for the highest stakes, if enforceability is an insurmountable problem well then online can't compete with live anyway - but if the people playing that level would prefer online to be a free-for-all it's up to them of course - I doubt many of the donors at that level would though.

Just because the Olympics is a drug-fuelled joke it doesn't mean that all levels of athletics should simply allow drugs in order to keep the top tier a level playing field.

* Right now if I list all running NLHE cash game tables on PS.com and order them by stake, the half-way point on the list is a game of NL10.
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Old 08-22-2015, 06:33 AM   #2413
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Re: 3rd Party Software on PokerStars: Proposed Rule Changes

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also you said badges are gone unless showing for all players at all times, can you elaborate a little more into that?
I think badges are gone regardless if they show all the time or not, it says the hud has to contain only "numeric values" and if they don't show all the time they lose their purpose anyway.
(I do agree with banning badges though)
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Old 08-22-2015, 06:42 AM   #2414
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Would this function still work? So you can watch the hands with the replayer. And yo cann also see the hands left. The graph is not supposed to work?
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Old 08-22-2015, 07:19 AM   #2415
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Just because the Olympics is a drug-fuelled joke it doesn't mean that all levels of athletics should simply allow drugs in order to keep the top tier a level playing field.
Conversely, they shouldn't claim that no competitors are using drugs, their testing methods are excellent and a promising newcomer has a chance to compete at the top level without using drugs when the truth is that is far from the case.

These days any popular sport's celebrities are a list of people who use a cocktail of steroids and didn't get caught. Not that there's specifically anything wrong with doing so on the individual level - yes it's against the rules, but anyone who knows the business knows it's a necessity to compete. The greater wrong is to put across the idea that it isn't happening and people may dedicate their lives in a hopeless endeavour, or find themselves forced to break the rules because everyone else is doing so also.
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Old 08-22-2015, 07:22 AM   #2416
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Re: 3rd Party Software on PokerStars: Proposed Rule Changes

So please tell me is it need to do something in myself ,remove my NC packages or sthg else ,or there will be an update of notecaddy , hm2 ect , that will remove not alowes features?
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Old 08-22-2015, 07:47 AM   #2417
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Re: 3rd Party Software on PokerStars: Proposed Rule Changes

Optimists expect Stars will reverse this crash course. If not, it is expected Notecaddy, HM, PT etc will release updates compliant with the new terms. I will be a massive ****show if they do not - PT4 for example you cannot even check the details of a premium HUD to see if it's compliant or not on your own, as an end user (that is presuming the rules are not incredibly vague, as they are in the PDF).
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Old 08-22-2015, 08:02 AM   #2418
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Would this function still work? So you can watch the hands with the replayer. And yo cann also see the hands left. The graph is not supposed to work?
The graph will go away. The new terms don't make any reference to the ability to replay hands so that stays

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So please tell me is it need to do something in myself ,remove my NC packages or sthg else ,or there will be an update of notecaddy , hm2 ect , that will remove not alowes features?
NC/HM/PT are the ones responsible for compliance. However, there are likely to be updates to the pack you're using as there will be new features available in NC. The reason I mention this is if you've made changes to your premium HUD you may have to make them again =\
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Old 08-22-2015, 09:36 AM   #2419
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Sweet. NoteCaddy will still be working exactly the same as before for me. Is this the end of Richas and co complaining?


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Old 08-22-2015, 09:47 AM   #2420
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The graph will go away. The new terms don't make any reference to the ability to replay hands so that stays



NC/HM/PT are the ones responsible for compliance. However, there are likely to be updates to the pack you're using as there will be new features available in NC. The reason I mention this is if you've made changes to your premium HUD you may have to make them again =\
okay thanks.

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Will work something like that? So where the stack sizes are displayed. This will function in the popups and on the HUD or not? Is that true?
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Old 08-22-2015, 10:18 AM   #2421
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Re: 3rd Party Software on PokerStars: Proposed Rule Changes

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The graph will go away. The new terms don't make any reference to the ability to replay hands so that stays

NC/HM/PT are the ones responsible for compliance. However, there are likely to be updates to the pack you're using as there will be new features available in NC. The reason I mention this is if you've made changes to your premium HUD you may have to make them again =\
How is Stars going to force people to click the Download/Update button in HEM/NC?
No one is going to willingly "update" their software if all the update does is take some features away.
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Old 08-22-2015, 10:49 AM   #2422
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Re: 3rd Party Software on PokerStars: Proposed Rule Changes

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How is Stars going to force people to click the Download/Update button in HEM/NC?
No one is going to willingly "update" their software if all the update does is take some features away.
Could make a basic s/w change that stops HUDs from working without updates.
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Old 08-22-2015, 11:38 AM   #2423
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okay thanks.

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Will work something like that? So where the stack sizes are displayed. This will function in the popups and on the HUD or not? Is that true?
Yes, this appears to be allowed in a popup. It's too big to go on the HUD itself. I'm not sure I understand your question about where the stack size would be displayed. If it's a note you can display the stack size with a variable or via a filter. If you make it a stat it's usually done via a column header.
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Old 08-22-2015, 03:16 PM   #2424
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How is Stars going to force people to click the Download/Update button in HEM/NC?
No one is going to willingly "update" their software if all the update does is take some features away.
Presumably the old versions of the software will be banned while Stars is running and the new ones won't (there is already some software which is only allowed past a compliant version). So they will scan for people using the old version rather than the new version and give warnings to people.
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You may be getting ahead of yourself on that one. This is a temporary setback but I've spent the last 5.5 years adding value for paying customers and I am not about to let amaya take me to hell with them without a fight. I played by their rules and will continue to do so, of course
I think that goes against the spirit of what PS is trying to achieve, and I hope they punish companies who don't go along with the changes, and try to sneak them back in. PS has told them what they don't want. Comply or go out of business.
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