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Old 06-25-2015, 05:31 PM   #1851
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Re: 3rd Party Software on PokerStars: Proposed Rule Changes

Do balance amounts over $1000 show up as 1k or exact number in the new pokerstars lobby? I need to know this for the software that i'm developing.
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Old 06-25-2015, 05:39 PM   #1852
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I find it extremely hard to believe stars will get much from this thread really
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Old 06-26-2015, 12:40 AM   #1854
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But despite all the above, live poker is strong pretty much anywhere it's allowed. So what online-specific problems are there other than 3rd-party software?
There are a number of reasons besides the game integrity reasons discussed in this thread:

* Lack of entertainment: if I have $100 to spend on having fun I can buy some drinks and chat with my mates, I can buy some music, I can go to a concert/nightclub, I can play games at a casino.

A lot more thought needs to be put into making the games more fun:

* Before black Friday there was much more chat. IMO whales usually love to chat. Reg automatons not so much.

* Regs take forever to make decsions while their 24 tables go pop/pop/pop. Recs hate waiting because it is not fun. ZZZZZZZZZ

Spin&Go's random big prizes is a step in the fun direction but I would like to see some more steps (sure to p**ss off short-term thinking regs even more):

* Deduct tournament chips for failure to chat at least once this blind level. Punish the automatons.

* Auto-Trade half excess time clock for extra tournament chips at each blind increment change while deducting same chips from slower player. Reward recs while punishing slow automatons.
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Old 06-26-2015, 01:05 AM   #1855
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Re: 3rd Party Software on PokerStars: Proposed Rule Changes

In Australia in the gaming industry we currently have a scandal with greyhound racing.

In a nutshell, greyhound trainers have been using live animals (cats, possums, etc) as livebaits in training to increase the motivation/speed of their dogs in races. The practice is forbidden as cute furry animals are cute and furry. Enough said. The greyhound trainers have been caught out and filmed by TV crews so the s**t really hit the fan.

What is my point?

My point is that the gaming integrity regulator and the CEO of Racing (a government appointed position) have been sacked. They didn't do live baiting. They claim no awareness of live baiting. Yet they are documented doing next to no random visits of trainers to check if live baiting is occurring. They quietly looked the other way just like Pokerstars has quietly looked the other way on third party software tools and continues to quietly look the other way on seating scripts.

Gaming Integrity must not only occur but it must be seen to be occurring.

In Pokerstars case as in racing in Australia there is never an acceptable excuse. They cannot say, "We didn't understand the power of these third party software tools."

Like the CEO of Racing in QLD Australia, Pokerstars will be sacked (that is recreational gamblers simply take their money elsewhere or US regulators refuse to license Pokerstars for USA) if an integrity scandal occurs on their watch.

Bots may be a more serious risk to poker play but I contend that group-based seating scripts approved by Pokerstars is a much more serious risk to game integrity reputation. Pokerstars cannot say, "I didn't consider that group-based seating scripts gave players an unfair advantage because I was only worried about in-game advantage." Rec players simply walk away.
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Old 06-26-2015, 01:14 AM   #1856
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In Australia in the gaming industry we currently have a scandal with greyhound racing.

In a nutshell, greyhound trainers have been using live animals (cats, possums, etc) as livebaits in training to increase the motivation/speed of their dogs in races. The practice is forbidden as cute furry animals are cute and furry. Enough said. The greyhound trainers have been caught out and filmed by TV crews so the s**t really hit the fan.

What is my point?

My point is that the gaming integrity regulator and the CEO of Racing (a government appointed position) have been sacked. They didn't do live baiting. They claim no awareness of live baiting. Yet they are documented doing next to no random visits of trainers to check if live baiting is occurring. They quietly looked the other way just like Pokerstars has quietly looked the other way on third party software tools and continues to quietly look the other way on seating scripts.

Gaming Integrity must not only occur but it must be seen to be occurring.

In Pokerstars case as in racing in Australia there is never an acceptable excuse. They cannot say, "We didn't understand the power of these third party software tools."

Like the CEO of Racing in QLD Australia, Pokerstars will be sacked (that is recreational gamblers simply take their money elsewhere or US regulators refuse to license Pokerstars for USA) if an integrity scandal occurs on their watch.

Bots may be a more serious risk to poker play but I contend that group-based seating scripts approved by Pokerstars is a much more serious risk to game integrity reputation. Pokerstars cannot say, "I didn't consider that group-based seating scripts gave players an unfair advantage because I was only worried about in-game advantage." Rec players simply walk away.
Pokerstars as it is , is completely authorized across the EUROPEAN UNION
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Old 06-26-2015, 01:15 AM   #1857
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Pokerstars as it is , is completely authorized across the EUROPEAN UNION

Wich has laws more advanced and consumer protection thatn many countries prolly incl usa and others

in 150 (or whatever ) countries there will be always problems with some if thats your case then its not Pokerstars problem its your problem
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Old 06-26-2015, 01:19 AM   #1858
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There are a number of reasons besides the game integrity reasons discussed in this thread:

* Lack of entertainment: if I have $100 to spend on having fun I can buy some drinks and chat with my mates, I can buy some music, I can go to a concert/nightclub, I can play games at a casino.

A lot more thought needs to be put into making the games more fun:

* Before black Friday there was much more chat. IMO whales usually love to chat. Reg automatons not so much.

* Regs take forever to make decsions while their 24 tables go pop/pop/pop. Recs hate waiting because it is not fun. ZZZZZZZZZ

Spin&Go's random big prizes is a step in the fun direction but I would like to see some more steps (sure to p**ss off short-term thinking regs even more):

* Deduct tournament chips for failure to chat at least once this blind level. Punish the automatons.

* Auto-Trade half excess time clock for extra tournament chips at each blind increment change while deducting same chips from slower player. Reward recs while punishing slow automatons.


Some good points but that one is

I prefer restricting table numbers , i think if action taking is more than x seconds player get restriced with less 2 or 4 tables for 3 months and so on
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Old 06-26-2015, 01:57 AM   #1859
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Re: 3rd Party Software on PokerStars: Proposed Rule Changes

The problem is that having 'regular time' then a 'time bank' seems to imply a carte blanche to use up all the regular time on a regular basis. If someone is regularly taking more than 4-5 seconds on basic preflop decisions, they should have their table count reduced (I'd be perfectly happy to see some regs limited to 12, or even 6 tables).
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Old 06-26-2015, 02:34 AM   #1860
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The problem is that having 'regular time' then a 'time bank' seems to imply a carte blanche to use up all the regular time on a regular basis. If someone is regularly taking more than 4-5 seconds on basic preflop decisions, they should have their table count reduced (I'd be perfectly happy to see some regs limited to 12, or even 6 tables).
Yes, I agree. Pre-Black Friday I played at FTP wholly because I hated how slow the tables were on Pokerstars. Now I play pokerstars Zoom partly because I hate how slow regs make decsions on the regular tables and I don't play MTTs because of how slow everyone is. I will never understand why a one-tabling tourney donk still uses his entire time bank to fold!

I can't understand Pokerstars not doing something about the riduiculously slow decision-making. I think it is a big factor in chasing recs away. Live people chat and you don't notice the time as much (although one tabling is boring) but online you are focussed on that next decision and that idiot taking forever to fold.
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Old 06-26-2015, 02:36 AM   #1861
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Some good points but that one is

I prefer restricting table numbers , i think if action taking is more than x seconds player get restriced with less 2 or 4 tables for 3 months and so on
Yeah, I like the idea of changing the chip number for all sorts of random fun reasons, like, say winning a hand with 72o: give the man some more chips while taking them from his opponent! Anything to make the games harder to solve usually makes it harder for regs and more fun for recs.

Or side bets like you see Ivey etc doing live. I'll take black flops, you can have red. If there's a black flop I get some of your chips. If there's a red flop you get some of mine. You could have a dialog about a suite of possible side bets you undertake before a tournament begins. Anything to increase the entertainment value.
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Yes, I agree. Pre-Black Friday I played at FTP wholly because I hated how slow the tables were on Pokerstars. Now I play pokerstars Zoom partly because I hate how slow regs make decsions on the regular tables and I don't play MTTs because of how slow everyone is. I will never understand why a one-tabling tourney donk still uses his entire time bank to fold!

I can't understand Pokerstars not doing something about the riduiculously slow decision-making. I think it is a big factor in chasing recs away. Live people chat and you don't notice the time as much (although one tabling is boring) but online you are focussed on that next decision and that idiot taking forever to fold.
I think you mentioned you play 100NL zoom? Have you noticed the tards who decide to use up their main time (no more, no less) on every single postflop decision? I mean, I get they don't want to give off timing tells but that's just ridiculous.
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Old 06-26-2015, 03:21 AM   #1863
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People know a HUD but they dont know Stars in built notes ???????
Read the post you quoted to see why you've got it backwards.

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This is simply false , you make a serious accusation that regs , wich can be

ALL ? 50% ? 80% ?

are colluding when that its a complete lie and u need to PROVE what u say
Again, read the post you quoted. I said Spinwiz allows regs to collude together to sit at the same table, with them against a non-Spinwiz reg. The proof of this functionality in Spinwiz can be found by reading earlier itt.

Why they would want to do that is open to speculation. Collusion during gameplay has to be one obvious possibility.

Do you actually read anything properly before you start typing out your huffing and puffing?
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Old 06-26-2015, 03:34 AM   #1864
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I think you mentioned you play 100NL zoom? Have you noticed the tards who decide to use up their main time (no more, no less) on every single postflop decision? I mean, I get they don't want to give off timing tells but that's just ridiculous.
Turns out that there's an app for that ...see earlier in the thread.
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I think you mentioned you play 100NL zoom? Have you noticed the tards who decide to use up their main time (no more, no less) on every single postflop decision? I mean, I get they don't want to give off timing tells but that's just ridiculous.
I haven't particularly noticed yet myself but I viewed your post with alarm. I don't use TimeMojo but I'd prefer if others didn't either for the sake of game speed please.
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Old 06-26-2015, 04:26 AM   #1866
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as i said in my blog, better solution is to just ban "strategy"/HUD software.

software such as my StackAndTile and TableNinja should have no reason to be banned

of course i'm biased.
Sure, gl selling table ninja to players without a HUD that will be 4 tabling
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Old 06-26-2015, 04:33 AM   #1867
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I think you mentioned you play 100NL zoom? Have you noticed the tards who decide to use up their main time (no more, no less) on every single postflop decision? I mean, I get they don't want to give off timing tells but that's just ridiculous.
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Turns out that there's an app for that ...see earlier in the thread.
Illustrates to me why sustainable online poker is fighting a losing battle unless radical solutions are implemented ASAP.
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Old 06-26-2015, 05:06 AM   #1868
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People should have 2 seconds to make their first preflop decision. If you click the "fold when it gets to me" then you get it added to your timebank which you use when you have an actual decision. If you have 20 tables stacked and never get chance to convenience your fellow players by clicking that well too bad.

As for the other stuff. In threads like this I just assume I'm trying to persuade an undecided lurker, not trying to make the other person break down and admit they're wrong. That way you don't end up feeding the trolls and you also set yourself a target you can reasonably acheive.
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People should have 2 seconds to make their first preflop decision. If you click the "fold when it gets to me" then you get it added to your timebank which you use when you have an actual decision. If you have 20 tables stacked and never get chance to convenience your fellow players by clicking that well too bad.
fwiw this is too little for me, my internet connection isn't great so I often get 2 second skips in connection.
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Old 06-26-2015, 06:01 AM   #1870
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Does anyone know what the current time limits are?
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Old 06-26-2015, 06:29 AM   #1871
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1. In cash games, iPoker is full of bots but they have many leaks and they don't adapt allowing alert regs to do just fine.

2. Given short-stacked HUSNG's are a close-to-solved form of poker I can't see any practical difference between a bot and Skier's software or HUDs with Skier's charts apart from early 25BB play. The problem is that simple forms of poker are getting close to completely solved. You can ban Skier's software, ban HUDs and people will still have paper charts of the shoving solution that are in practice the same as Bots.
The difference between preflop charts and bots is night and day. There is a ton of postflop play down to the smallest stack sizes (and these stack sizes are a small fraction of hands played). If you hopped into a husng and played using nash/push fold or even my preflop charts you would get absolutely crushed unless you had the corresponding (significant) postflop skill required to win at these games. You cannot win (or get close to it) at husng or shortstack hu with a set of preflop charts.
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Old 06-26-2015, 07:22 AM   #1872
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so it's a like a "preflop bot" ?
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Old 06-26-2015, 08:33 AM   #1873
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Read the post you quoted to see why you've got it backwards.

Again, read the post you quoted. I said Spinwiz allows regs to collude together to sit at the same table, with them against a non-Spinwiz reg. The proof of this functionality in Spinwiz can be found by reading earlier itt.

Why they would want to do that is open to speculation. Collusion during gameplay has to be one obvious possibility.

Do you actually read anything properly before you start typing out your huffing and puffing?
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The difference is that, without spinwiz, the 2 regs won't have colluded to reg at the same table with a fish


I think u r the 1 not reading even what u write

Your observations are illogical , u dont need any software to collude
in many formats , colluding is relat. easy to find out
spins seems 1 of the most unlikely formats to collude precisely because stars can track that really fast
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Turns out that there's an app for that ...see earlier in the thread.
funny enough, since i outed one of the HUD advocate that uses the timebank program, he hasnt been back in the thread.

FR-NIT has also reverted back to his commercial thread:
https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/16...cial-software/

I made sure to keep all the screenshots where he admits to datamining
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Would be cool, if pokerstars-steve add this to the suggestions.
I ve choosen this way, because we dont have an official statement by pokerstars about scripts in general.


So, due to your attitude as a smart, long-term-thinking company having a longterm-balanced-ecology,

u have to
- stop/offer own/forbid betting- and seating-scripts or/and
- decrease the reacting-time for multitable-players (who plays more than x tables at the same time) and
- limit the waiting-list-seats from actual ... to max. 3-4 players
- and each player is only able to take a seat on 4 waiting-lists at the same time
- and maybe - is only able to join a waitinglist 4 times in 30/60 minutes.

- revolutionize the hu-game, so that they will get more action.
e.g. table-opener is able to set the details for the table, e.g. at least played number of hands to leave a table, buy-out etc. the limit of the table will set by offered number of tables each limit automatically.
every player will get 3 "jokers" connection-losts will be "punished" with one of them
if u dont have one.. or u r too long at sitout or connection-lost (to use a leak),
u will be removed from the table and lose 0,3-1 stack.
so every bumhunter and leakbuster wont hoax other players anymore,
conclusion = no bumhunting anymore, more games, because every player/opener have to play
every other player who joins his table by clicking and accepting his "game-rules"



Scripts at all are bad, because u r able to act/react faster than a normal human is able to.

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