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Old 06-11-2015, 03:31 PM   #76
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Re: 3rd Party Software on PokerStars: Proposed Rule Changes

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I don't see a problem with banning browsers while playing.
fish are going to love that

some people itt seem hell bent on destroying online poker themselves rather than accept that long-term it's about as doomed as online backgammon
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Old 06-11-2015, 03:50 PM   #77
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Fact is anybody signing up in 2015 will only be made aware of these huds by coming to 2+2 or P5's etc. tens of thousands, probably alot more that play for years probably still dont know they are being exploited.
Huds are common knowledge to people who play online. Any training site or forum you visit mentions them. If people are ignorant they deserve to be exploited.
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Old 06-11-2015, 03:50 PM   #78
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Re: 3rd Party Software on PokerStars: Proposed Rule Changes

Everyone can buy pt/hm, neither costs much if you're somewhat serious about the game.
They're still no must and easy to misinterpret if you don't invest a certain amount of time, guess that's why many are crying instead of catching up with it.

The lies that are made up here (incl. Notecaddy which is falsely on the list) are also ridiculous.
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Old 06-11-2015, 03:55 PM   #79
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Huds are common knowledge to people who play online. Any training site or forum you visit mentions them. If people are ignorant they deserve to be exploited.



DING DING DING
Thank you for proving my point. I couldnt have done it better myself.
So just to summarize your point. If people sign up to play a poker game the onus is on them to go and do some research off their own back to find out whether they are being cheated. If they just play their cards and dont gauge any suspicions from the client which by the way mentions no such things as huds and other 3rd party softwares then, well, tuff ****. Us hudtards get to own you lolz.
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Old 06-11-2015, 03:57 PM   #80
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I don't see a problem with banning browsers while playing.
JFC imagine this.. try using your brain
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Old 06-11-2015, 03:57 PM   #81
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Everyone can buy pt/hm, neither costs much if you're somewhat serious about the game.
They're still no must and easy to misinterpret if you don't invest a certain amount of time, guess that's why many are crying instead of catching up with it.

The lies that are made up here (incl. Notecaddy which is falsely on the list) are also ridiculous.
Believe it or not pal, but lots of players, like myself like to play POKER not become data interpreters and statistic analysts. We dont feel we should have to spend extra money to buy such software even if we wanted too.
POKER man, thats what we want.
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Old 06-11-2015, 03:57 PM   #82
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Re: 3rd Party Software on PokerStars: Proposed Rule Changes

Time for PokerStars Operating System
Must download, install, and boot from it in order to play on Stars. Stars has remote admin rights while it is operating. Does not allow installation and operation of non-approved accessories. Re-write terms and conditions.
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Old 06-11-2015, 03:59 PM   #83
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Re: 3rd Party Software on PokerStars: Proposed Rule Changes

Why aren't any scripting programs on the proposed list to be affected? These are worst type of programs, notecaddy + pokerstove are not hurting the poker environment as much as SEATING SCRIPTS. If these are banned then this will be a step in the right direction.
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Old 06-11-2015, 03:59 PM   #84
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Re: 3rd Party Software on PokerStars: Proposed Rule Changes

I am very sceptical re enforcement. Regarding recent events, PS did not manage to get rid of the known bots, even though they got tipped off about the situation as early as late 2014 - even though they had far superior resources at hand than the players who basically had to do it all by themselves.

So my problem is that this will make the advantage of those willing to cheat even greater. If it can and will be enforced, then I am all for as much software to go away as possible.
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Old 06-11-2015, 04:00 PM   #85
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DING DING DING
Thank you for proving my point. I couldnt have done it better myself.
So just to summarize your point. If people sign up to play a poker game the onus is on them to go and do some research off their own back to find out whether they are being cheated. If they just play their cards and dont gauge any suspicions from the client which by the way mentions no such things as huds and other 3rd party softwares then, well, tuff ****. Us hudtards get to own you lolz.
isn't this the same as live poker though, should everyone have to disclose what poker books or videos they've viewed or coaching they may have received?
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Old 06-11-2015, 04:01 PM   #86
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Believe it or not pal, but lots of players, like myself like to play POKER not become data interpreters and statistic analysts. We dont feel we should have to spend extra money to buy such software even if we wanted too.
POKER man, thats what we want.
And what prevents you from just playing Poker? Oh, sry, got you. You also expect to win money despite not putting effort into it, right? Pathetic!
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Old 06-11-2015, 04:12 PM   #87
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And what prevents you from just playing Poker? Oh, sry, got you. You also expect to win money despite not putting effort into it, right? Pathetic!
Effort, study etc... In other words learn and get savvy with huds and all the upgrades and diff stats amirite???

Again, I like to play poker. Use my own reads and judgement and memory. I dont need or like to rely on all of that readily available info that is automatically presented to me in real time.
I hope to God they ban all software used. Then I suspect the leaderboards and rankings will be very different and balanced.
Because, you know, players will have to actually go back to basics and learn how to play for themselves.
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Old 06-11-2015, 04:12 PM   #88
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Re: 3rd Party Software on PokerStars: Proposed Rule Changes

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Why aren't any scripting programs on the proposed list to be affected? These are worst type of programs, notecaddy + pokerstove are not hurting the poker environment as much as SEATING SCRIPTS. If these are banned then this will be a step in the right direction.
Can you explain me why?

I think they are. Scripts are still bad for the game, but i dont see why notecaddy/other type of software hurts less poker then a script.

Scripts are screwing the image of online poker, its not destroying the game itself and making it harder and harder for fish/players that doesnt invest ton of time+money to get a better hud to kill the game faster.

Bots go in the same category, no bots, no software, no "edge" and making online poker a little bit more like live poker = big step in the right direction, imo.

Stars would loose a bit of money short term, but would gain a looot longterm with a move like this.
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Old 06-11-2015, 04:13 PM   #89
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If they just play their cards and dont gauge any suspicions from the client which by the way mentions no such things as huds and other 3rd party softwares then, well, tuff ****.

Yes just as when they insist on raising with A6 utg. I don't see anywhere on Poker Stars site where it is mentioned that this isn't a good idea. Well actually I do, you can infer it from watching some videos on poker school online. By coincidence you can also find out about huds there.
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Old 06-11-2015, 04:19 PM   #90
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Time for PokerStars Operating System
Must download, install, and boot from it in order to play on Stars. Stars has remote admin rights while it is operating. Does not allow installation and operation of non-approved accessories. Re-write terms and conditions.
I have 2 computers.
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Old 06-11-2015, 04:25 PM   #91
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Re: 3rd Party Software on PokerStars: Proposed Rule Changes

Would this referring to a pdf file would be against tos ? (If it showed pf hand ranges based on stack depth)
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Old 06-11-2015, 04:29 PM   #92
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Re: 3rd Party Software on PokerStars: Proposed Rule Changes

This must be really taken seriously Pokerstars Steve. I mean the whole thread revealing this joke is and has been in the NVG thread because it simply gets far more viewrship, yet this is quickly stashed away here. Even if you do enforce this out of backlash from players, where is the explanation why and how this went on for so long? How were bots not caught for a year(s). How come it takes a player with limited resources to catch over your sophistication. Either he his smarter than he leads on or you guys are.... Well...

How will pokerstars really be able to enforce the bot issue. How? Sorey, but this is smoke and mirrors
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Old 06-11-2015, 04:34 PM   #93
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No popups, no drill down by link that is street specific. You get the HUD display absolutely fixed.

Yes this is a deliberate attempt to reduce the power of the software whilst still allowing customised HUD displays.

I also hate the badges with preprogrammed action advice but banning them was not part of this proposal.
Are you allowed to write in a word pad to take notes on the player your playing? Or what if you write in a text book you have beside ur keyboard then refer to it next time you play that opponent ?
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Old 06-11-2015, 04:36 PM   #94
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Having a "prohibited software" list while allowing people to play on an operating system that the site does not have admin rights to is a bluff.
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Old 06-11-2015, 04:39 PM   #95
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Re: 3rd Party Software on PokerStars: Proposed Rule Changes

Very obviously good changes. Also as obvious is that even more is needed.

Somewhat offtopic, but what is the reason that seating scripts are allowed? They make recreational players experience a far worse, but can't really see any upsides besides the fact that the game starts like one minute before it would start otherwise.
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Old 06-11-2015, 04:41 PM   #96
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The software in question is composed of 2 parts
1) There is an after the hand analysis which the user does not see until the hand is completed.
Id like to know more about this
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Old 06-11-2015, 04:46 PM   #97
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Re: 3rd Party Software on PokerStars: Proposed Rule Changes

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Everyone can buy pt/hm, neither costs much if you're somewhat serious about the game.
They're still no must and easy to misinterpret if you don't invest a certain amount of time, guess that's why many are crying instead of catching up with it.

The lies that are made up here (incl. Notecaddy which is falsely on the list) are also ridiculous.
I agree with this. Just now we have an even playing field as software like Notecaddy, which some people seem to be pretty clueless about, are relatively inexpensive and available to all. The problem would be if it was banned and then was limited to a select few who had the computer skills, or finances to pay for those skills, in order to circumvent any ban.
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Old 06-11-2015, 04:50 PM   #98
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Everyone can buy pt/hm, neither costs much if you're somewhat serious about the game.
They're still no must and easy to misinterpret if you don't invest a certain amount of time, guess that's why many are crying instead of catching up with it.

The lies that are made up here (incl. Notecaddy which is falsely on the list) are also ridiculous.
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I agree with this. Just now we have an even playing field as software like Notecaddy, which some people seem to be pretty clueless about, are relatively inexpensive and available to all. The problem would be if it was banned and then was limited to a select few who had the computer skills, or finances to pay for those skills, in order to circumvent any ban.
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Old 06-11-2015, 04:52 PM   #99
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Re: 3rd Party Software on PokerStars: Proposed Rule Changes

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While within our current rules, this software goes beyond the level of assistance we want to see software providing players in our online poker room.
How much software assistance does Pokerstars want to see?

How much software assistance do the majority of its customers want to see?

Solve the disconnect between what you're offering and what people actually want, and you might just save online poker.
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How much software assistance does Pokerstars want to see?

How much software assistance do the majority of its customers want to see?

Solve the disconnect between what you're offering and what people actually want, and you might just save online poker.
That is good. I think that this is realistic:
How much software assistance does Pokerstars want to see?

How much software assistance can you actually enforce?
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