All I'm saying is with no buds cheaters and colluding scum along with bot rings will run wild because we will have no way of figuring out if they are there or not

The "new" PokerStars 7 auto clicks the time bank for you now.

You must be a fish why can't we have the ability to pick out own table ...

im only against software that isnt avaible for everyone im not even against skiers software if he sell it to everyone now against tracking software and huds let them stay for sure people need to check ev line

PokerStars should be capable of doing this themselves. Maybe they have been catching a lot more cheats than publicly made known. It is troubling with all the cases in online poker of the player's policing these issues via anomalies or similarities in the HuD data but there really is no reason PokerStars or other sites shouldn't be equally capable of interpreting this data and finding the same anomalies that the player pool had found. In fact they should be able to do an even better job because they have a lot more information in front of them than the player pool has to work on. Just hire more data analysts or dedicate more resources to this issue.

As Richas said I don't see HuDs going anywhere anytime soon. I don't think most are even pushing that hard for that in this thread.

Lets say for arguements sake 100% of poker bots are from Eastern European, why would this be undesirable? Or why would it be unfair or bad for me to want to play in these games purely because 100% of bots are from EE?

Ok 100% aren't. But what if 90% or 80% are?

If this isn't the case then good. As I said it would be bad for legit players to be severely affected, which is why I mentioned stringent verification processes. I know from my own experience I am constantly required to provide documents when I play on an online gambling website, are similar practices used outside of the UK?

If not after the revelations of the last few days why would it be bad for me to want to play in cash games I know are very likely to be bot free?

+1000000

Because it has led to seat scripting and players being chased from table to table, and hundreds of HU tables with 1 person sat at them.

Your attitude the another reason for scaring off casual players.

Why do you feel this way? If WCGRider coaches someone, should he now be obliged to do the same for everyone? If a 6max sng grinder shares his charts with a friend, is he now obliged to make these available to the general public? If you make a custom PT4 Stat, must that be put into some central database for all to use? If I spend a week gaining some insights about a particular spot, am I know obliged to summarise it and make it available for all? Why do you think that software should be held to a different standard? Even if you do feel that way, is it ok if I/WCGRider/our 6 max friend make it available to all at a fair (and when i say fair, I mean one in line with its value) price? What if this fair price was prohibitively high? I'm also sure that all of those things are available to all, at the right price, even if they are not explicitly on offer. Regardless, in my case, the software alone is not worth a whole lot without sufficiently good information to go with it.

SHOW ONE, SHOW ALL....

Fully agree with every point made! Well said sir!

Only listen to those using s/w to exploit others, ignore those that pay the bills. WP sir.

I'm fine with you having kept everything to yourself and/or players you felt the need to share it with for whatever purpose; financial or friend. You worked very hard to develop it and in no way should you be forced to make it openly available to the public if that's not in your best interest. Most of the training sites/other commercial software that is currently on the market is so in the creator/seller's best interest. They didn't magically make it available to the public because they wanted/cared to level the playing field against cheats/or really care about giving their customers an edge over certain competition not using their software. They did so to make $ from selling it. If your choice is to not sell it to the public them I'm fine with it as long as it doesn't violate PokerStars T@C and is approved by them.

you not obligated to sell of course but all this started because your software from what i read the thing is we cant forbide all software because 1 now my point is why forbide software that is avaible to everyone in that case only the ones that dont buy it stay behind now there will be always guys using private stuff running on side computers taking advantage from the others that will stay with nothing.

I didn't know what everyone was talking about with regards to skier's software so I googled and read some articles. I still can't determine if anyone, aside from those who use it, know exactly what it does. I don't understand how NC and that software are even being compared but I am not very familar with HUSNGs so maybe I'm just missing the way in which they are similar.

Anyway, NC doesn't seem to break any of the new ToS that are being proposed so I don't understand why it is on the list of programs that would be affected.

Yes, good points. It's certainly not straight-forward!

Oh, right. Thanks!

banning everything > op's proposal > status quo

Here is my view on popular software, posted day before this thread started:
I am NoteCaddy user, if you want to know. And as it is allowed I will be using its features, but it doesn't change my mind it should be prohibited.

Please ban ALL additional tools. Seating scripts are the worst, but def ban anything you want. Even a calculator is questionable.

The 'impossible to draw the line' argument sucks. Here's why. Unless Stars has positively defined something as permitted software, it's perfectly reasonable to suggest that anyone using that software is doing so at their own risk. There's no good reason why the exact borderline needs to be prospectively clear as long as there is a body with adjudicative power.

Hell yes.

Another possibility and an easy way to manage live street bu street advice is to eliminate real time dealer chat hand histories. If stars wants to still allow client side histories, simply make them NOT display live and deliver with a timed delay. (Batched once per hour or day or by request only)

Hello,

Please tell me where I can find this option?

Yeah, fish often busted in 100 hands, so Notecaddy cant generate so many stats. Fish so quickly busted, because they play bad, not because of notecaddy or hud. About 90% there i think coud beat the game, if there is no HUD or 3rd party programs, but i think many of you only can improve if there is hud and you see what better players do. 10% others who behind this is reg, who can apply GTOish approach without hud and bust you, they also get bigger edge against Huds orientated regs.

So be honest to yourself, huds or stats isnt problem why you losing, you lazyness is. English is my second language, so sorry for mistakes

Bump !?

also watching porn while playing should also be forbiden because the all in thing can be condidered real time advice