Two Plus Two Publishing LLC
Two Plus Two Publishing LLC
 

Go Back   Two Plus Two Poker Forums > >

Notices

Internet Poker Discussions of Internet poker venues, including RB & bonuses.

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 11-03-2015, 10:24 AM   #3176
Cog Dissonance
old hand
 
Cog Dissonance's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Posts: 1,362
Re: 3rd Party Software on PokerStars: Proposed Rule Changes

I'd love it Stars banned huds
Cog Dissonance is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-03-2015, 10:25 AM   #3177
lancelott_
veteran
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Posts: 2,410
Re: 3rd Party Software on PokerStars: Proposed Rule Changes

Don`t worry, ull always be able to cheat around it. problem is, lots of players are gonna suffer badly as a result of it (nope, not the cheating ones).
Stars once banned pokertableratings, and guess what happened.
lancelott_ is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-03-2015, 11:00 AM   #3178
skier_5
Pooh-Bah
 
skier_5's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: London
Posts: 5,443
Re: 3rd Party Software on PokerStars: Proposed Rule Changes

Quote:
Originally Posted by ChicagoRy View Post
I think your post is quite ignorant.

Just because you spent 100s of hours and thousands of dollars on your own charts and skier's actions caused this stuff to get banned (his team had robot avatars prior to my article, were happy that the community knew they used some mysterious program, since it gave them a psychological edge, but threw a fit once people got upset) doesn't mean I'm an idiot for writing a factual article about a situation that was already exploding.

Plus, once the community learned of the details of the programs they were using, the community did not accept them as fair to use. Stars says they were already planning to act on software. Even if that isn't true, the community knew the facts of Skier's programs far before Stars announced bannings. If the community thought this stuff was OK, they would've said so in this thread and in NVG.

That doesn't make anyone involved a bad person or mean anyone was doing anything wrong, but to call me an idiot because Stars drew the line on the wrong side of your personal material is wrong.

Separate your posting from your own selfish motives and you'll see how much of a baseless attack it is.

Your points about excel charts have some validity, but it has nothing to do with my article or any crusade you've made up about me.
Oh this is just too much.

All I did was create an in TOS program and work with a few other players using it. Then ‘the community’, in one of their many blatant TOS violations, harvested and compared our stats using data mined data and shared them all over Skype calling us bots. We were investigated, cleared and went on with our business. Did a couple of the people I work with poke some fun at people with robot avatars? Yes, but I don’t think there is anything wrong with that. Further, I did not want to divulge details of what we were doing for many reasons of which the psychological advantage you mentioned was just a small part.

Please stop deluding yourself into thinking you wrote a factual article. When the article was written, you had the prior knowledge that Pokerstars had investigated and approved the program, yet you still put a picture of a robot at the top of the article, insinuated it was automated (even though there was no evidence that there was any automation going on, and in fact the totality of the evidence was almost nothing: there were 3 panels of the regz club site shared of which only some stats matched up between 3 players. I think at the time there were something like 10 panels per player so we are talking something like under 10% of the available stats (and mostly preflop for which there was a legitimate explanation) being similar heralded as iron cast evidence). Further, if there was any doubt as to your intentions, you included a completely ridiculous coffeeyay quote and a call to action to email stars about the situation.

Please stop speaking for ‘the community’. There are plenty of other poker players outside the HUSNG community who did not seem to have a problem with what I was doing, and even those who did, certainly did not react in the way the HUSNG crowd did. Further, plenty of people’s main complaint seemed to be that it was not available to them, with many others admitting, once they had knowledge of the tools, that they thought they were ok. So I don’t think it’s that clear. You hold up lack of involvement in the 2p2 threads as evidence that people thought it wasn’t ok, but I think the opposite is true. Once the details of my tools become public, very few of the people who had been posting against them continued to do so. Those that did, often were unable to respond to my responses to them and quit posting. There were a lot of husng dot com affiliated people posting in the threads at the start, but they all disappeared once I started posting. My only conclusion is that they did not have an argument against the actual facts.

This was probably just all the straw that broke the camel’s back anyways, but to say your escalation and dishonest article had nothing to do with it is completely laughable. Plenty of straw was laid on by people affiliated with your site as well - mass population tendencies, data mining and spinwiz (have the users been refunded yet?) come to mind. Sometimes I think we must be the only people who actually follows the rules. The irony is overwhelming.
skier_5 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-03-2015, 11:38 AM   #3179
Donkey111
grinder
 
Donkey111's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: London, UK
Posts: 636
Re: 3rd Party Software on PokerStars: Proposed Rule Changes

Quote:
Originally Posted by ChicagoRy View Post
Separate your posting from your own selfish motives and you'll see how much of a baseless attack it is.
That's ironic to me. Since Skier_5's programme was hurting your HUSNG business, I saw your crusade against it as very self-interested.
Donkey111 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-03-2015, 03:20 PM   #3180
TheDefiniteArticle
Indecisive
 
TheDefiniteArticle's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Bristol, UK
Posts: 14,090
Re: 3rd Party Software on PokerStars: Proposed Rule Changes

Skier,

Now your software is banned from use on Stars and HUSNGs don't run with high enough volume on other sites for it to be particularly worthwhile, would you mind publishing more accurate details?
TheDefiniteArticle is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-03-2015, 04:51 PM   #3181
ChicagoRy
 
ChicagoRy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: ColoradoRy
Posts: 20,428
Re: 3rd Party Software on PokerStars: Proposed Rule Changes

Quote:
Originally Posted by skier_5 View Post

Please stop deluding yourself into thinking you wrote a factual article. When the article was written, you had the prior knowledge that Pokerstars had investigated and approved the program, yet you still put a picture of a robot at the top of the article, insinuated it was automated (even though there was no evidence that there was any automation
I messaged you when you attacked me publicly when this started and you replied that you had problems with my article. I told you I'd clear up any issues and you said you were too tired to go into specifics, but you found 4-5 nitpicks mostly presenting assumptions as facts. You never followed up, you just insulted me over and over publicly about the article.

- I mentioned right away in the article that Stars approved your program.
- Your players had robot avatars on at the time of the article, how is putting a robot image up out of line on my part?
- It was automated! It was more automated than my automatic car open locks. Sure I can say "I have to recognize the situation, then choose to hit lock or unlock, then open the door" but it's an automatic lock opener! Saying 18bb deep small blind then having a chart with an action is pretty automatic.


Quote:
going on, and in fact the totality of the evidence was almost nothing
Evidence for what? What was brought up was everything that was known/discussed.

Then eventually everyone found out the full details of what was happening. I don't think people wanted it allowed based on the responses in this thread.

Quote:
There were a lot of husng dot com affiliated people posting in the threads at the start, but they all disappeared once I started posting. My only conclusion is that they did not have an argument against the actual facts.
Who were husng.com affiliate people? The amount of people on the site is basically just me. You can add in Coffeeyay too (he sells products on my site and we're friends). Other people sell products on my site too, but most of them have far more lucrative things that they do without me (full time playing, other stables, etc.). Even Coffee's most lucrative business is his private coaching and I have absolutely zero part in that.

I ran an article after weeks of the story gaining traction behind the scenes. The first time it was brought up to me by a member of the $200s division I dismissed it as fear. By the time I wrote about the article the topic was more talked about than the rake changes on HUSNGs were.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Donkey111 View Post
That's ironic to me. Since Skier_5's programme was hurting your HUSNG business, I saw your crusade against it as very self-interested.
Why do you think it was hurting my business?

It was known to be like 3-4 players using some mysterious program(s) that helped them move from $30s to $200s. There are stables with 100s of players in them improving players with private coaching, sites with material that sell to the wider public, much larger scale things that would actually be my competitors. I don't write attack articles against these people as skier claims I did on him.

Also, writing an article about his stuff more than likely got a great deal of people interested in it. I'm sure quite a lot of HS players have approached skier since that article came out for private coaching. Even with his program disallowed, surely showing you can program preflop charts and postflop hand advice and the rise of the players that studied it shows that you can offer a lot of value to people.
ChicagoRy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-03-2015, 06:09 PM   #3182
TimStone
Carpal \'Tunnel
 
TimStone's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: all across Asia
Posts: 8,368
Re: 3rd Party Software on PokerStars: Proposed Rule Changes

Everybody certainly played that well. Somehow reminds me about back in teh day when two guys started discussing/acusing sublime of having some sort of "seating script" in teh midstakes thread on a public forum
TimStone is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-03-2015, 06:12 PM   #3183
pg_780
old hand
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: Colombia
Posts: 1,455
Re: 3rd Party Software on PokerStars: Proposed Rule Changes

Am I allowed to use PT4 or PT3 on stars right now? (I got a message from stars while playing telling me to turn it off)

Sorry if this question has been answered, its a really long thread.
pg_780 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-03-2015, 06:17 PM   #3184
cbt
veteran
 
cbt's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Hell
Posts: 2,961
Re: 3rd Party Software on PokerStars: Proposed Rule Changes

Quote:
Originally Posted by pg_780 View Post
Am I allowed to use PT4 or PT3 on stars right now? (I got a message from stars while playing telling me to turn it off)

Sorry if this question has been answered, its a really long thread.
I was under the impression that you can but I quit playing basically, still need to get the VPP bonus tho ugh.

You sure you got the warning because of PT/HM? I have heard about it in regards to odds oracle etc.
cbt is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-03-2015, 06:31 PM   #3185
Bluenowhere
adept
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Posts: 1,147
Re: 3rd Party Software on PokerStars: Proposed Rule Changes

lol ChicagoRy with how much you love to lie and try and spin things you should really apply for a job at pokerstars, you'd fit in perfectly with their culture.
Bluenowhere is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-03-2015, 06:43 PM   #3186
pg_780
old hand
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: Colombia
Posts: 1,455
Re: 3rd Party Software on PokerStars: Proposed Rule Changes

Quote:
Originally Posted by cbt View Post
I was under the impression that you can but I quit playing basically, still need to get the VPP bonus tho ugh.

You sure you got the warning because of PT/HM? I have heard about it in regards to odds oracle etc.
Ya, the only 3rd party thing i have is PT4
pg_780 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-03-2015, 06:46 PM   #3187
fozzy71
Carpal \'Tunnel
 
fozzy71's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: 8 Mile + 2.5
Posts: 37,535
Re: 3rd Party Software on PokerStars: Proposed Rule Changes

Quote:
Originally Posted by pg_780 View Post
Am I allowed to use PT4 or PT3 on stars right now? (I got a message from stars while playing telling me to turn it off)

Sorry if this question has been answered, its a really long thread.
You need to download the latest PT4 update from their site to be compliant with the new rules.
fozzy71 is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 11-03-2015, 06:57 PM   #3188
pg_780
old hand
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: Colombia
Posts: 1,455
Re: 3rd Party Software on PokerStars: Proposed Rule Changes

ah ok, ty
pg_780 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-03-2015, 08:06 PM   #3189
skier_5
Pooh-Bah
 
skier_5's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: London
Posts: 5,443
Re: 3rd Party Software on PokerStars: Proposed Rule Changes

Quote:
Originally Posted by ChicagoRy View Post
I messaged you when you attacked me publicly when this started and you replied that you had problems with my article. I told you I'd clear up any issues and you said you were too tired to go into specifics, but you found 4-5 nitpicks mostly presenting assumptions as facts. You never followed up, you just insulted me over and over publicly about the article.
Yes I was tired when you messaged, and afterwards I realised I could not go into my issues with the article without potentially revealing more information than I was comfortable. After Pokerstars revealed the details of my setup, I addressed why I had problems with your article in the NVG thread here. I think I summed it up in the post you have quoted as well. Note your activity in that thread prior to the linked post and lack thereof afterwards. None of the issues are particularly major on their own, it’s the cumulative effect that is the problem.

Quote:
Originally Posted by ChicagoRy View Post
- I mentioned right away in the article that Stars approved your program.
- Your players had robot avatars on at the time of the article, how is putting a robot image up out of line on my part?
We were taking the piss at the massive overreaction to what we were doing and the seemingly unbelievable ability of all of the husng community to not realise how one could execute a mixed preflop strategy perfectly with the aid of as little as a mechanical watch. Such a picture does not belong in an objective article. Even the picture alone wouldn’t be that bad, but it’s just one of a few things.

Quote:
Originally Posted by ChicagoRy View Post
- It was automated! It was more automated than my automatic car open locks. Sure I can say "I have to recognize the situation, then choose to hit lock or unlock, then open the door" but it's an automatic lock opener! Saying 18bb deep small blind then having a chart with an action is pretty automatic.
Maybe that's the issue here. That is not automated. Automated would be if they opened when you approached the car or reached for the handle. What you have described is an remote controlled electronic or motorized lock opener. Can you please explain to me how using a mouse or button is any less automatic than using your voice as an input device?

Quote:
Originally Posted by ChicagoRy View Post
Evidence for what? What was brought up was everything that was known/discussed.

Then eventually everyone found out the full details of what was happening. I don't think people wanted it allowed based on the responses in this thread.
Evidence suggesting anything was automated at all and not anything more than a few people executing some preflop charts and working together? I think the responses after I started posting in the threads were quite mixed (and rightfully so).

Quote:
Originally Posted by ChicagoRy View Post
Who were husng.com affiliate people? The amount of people on the site is basically just me. You can add in Coffeeyay too (he sells products on my site and we're friends). Other people sell products on my site too, but most of them have far more lucrative things that they do without me (full time playing, other stables, etc.). Even Coffee's most lucrative business is his private coaching and I have absolutely zero part in that.

I ran an article after weeks of the story gaining traction behind the scenes. The first time it was brought up to me by a member of the $200s division I dismissed it as fear. By the time I wrote about the article the topic was more talked about than the rake changes on HUSNGs were.
I was given the impression that callme, Spl0dg3, fightingcoward, kobmish, squire1888, and obviously coffeeyay were all affiliated to husng dot com in one manner or another or at least connected to the publishing of the article.

For me the major disconnect is this:
The known facts at the time were that 2/3 players (yes, not even all 3) had extremely similar pre flop stats playing a mixed strategy and a handful of similarish post flop stats totalling under 10% of all available stats between 3 players. Further, Pokerstars had conducted an investigation and said it was ok. A notoriously self interested HUSNG cartel went on a witch hunt spreading lies with very little factual evidence and lastly some of the protagonists chose to use a robot avatar after all of these events.

- Where does anything automated come from this narrative?
- Why did you include a call to action at the bottom of the article?
- Further, why did you not post a follow up and clarify what you had gotten wrong?
- Lastly, why did you continue to use the misleading title in follow up articles such as “Pokerstars allowing automated decision software? (Daniel "Pl@yerABC" Sklar's opininion)” even when all of the facts were out there?
skier_5 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-03-2015, 09:21 PM   #3190
freech
journeyman
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Posts: 207
Re: 3rd Party Software on PokerStars: Proposed Rule Changes

Quote:
Originally Posted by ChicagoRy View Post
- Your players had robot avatars on at the time of the article, how is putting a robot image up out of line on my part?
Yes we did change to robot avatars on Stars since the word being spread by some 200 regs was that we were using a bot. Had we actually been doing so, it would have been pretty stupid to put on our avatars ‘I’m using a robot’, so it was obviously intended as a piss take.

Let’s say that it was not ‘out of line’ at all on your part to independently put a robot image on the article; but why did you do it? I just told you that when we did it was quite clearly a joke, what was your reason for putting up the robot image? Yellow journalism?

You have not put up the robot image on any other articles that you have written. So what were you trying to insinuate when you did it on the article about us? You must have known that we weren’t actually using a bot since Stars allowed what we were doing, yet for some reason there was a robot there anyway.

Quote:
Originally Posted by ChicagoRy View Post
- It was automated! It was more automated than my automatic car open locks. Sure I can say "I have to recognize the situation, then choose to hit lock or unlock, then open the door" but it's an automatic lock opener! Saying 18bb deep small blind then having a chart with an action is pretty automatic.
When we were in contact with stars over the months before, they said the reason using voice control was allowed is (as you stated) the player had to recognise the situation and choose the desired chart. Stars (unlike many other people) could see that using voice control is completely equivalent to clicking on a tab with your mouse.

Using voice control does not mean it is automatic. If it was automatic, the chart would be pulled up…wait for it…automatically! No human would be needed to do anything at all. You could just open Stars and ‘turn on’ Skier’s programme and the charts would just change by themselves. This was not the case.

Your automatic lock opener may be called what it is, but it is not technically automatic. If it were, it would just lock/ unlock the car as and when was needed; you wouldn’t have to click a button.

Also with an automatic lock opener there is only 1 option to choose (pressing the button). You could easily teach a 2 year old child to do it for you. For us, we had many different options (hand and stack size) to choose from and then we had to follow the charts correctly. A 2 year old child could not do that.

Sure it may be easy for a poker player to recognise the situation and give out a voice command, but is just as easy for them to recognise the situation and click on a tab. Voice is just more efficient.


Quote:
Originally Posted by ChicagoRy View Post
It was known to be like 3-4 players using some mysterious program(s) that helped them move from $30s to $200s
-I wasn’t in $30s at all. I actually wasn’t ‘in’ anything.
-I used to play $100s and had results (vs fish) much better than most at the time.
-I had quit playing HU properly a while before anyone had the chance to be ‘in’ anything.
-In fact, it was through battling 200s and playing vs skier that I first learned of his existence, and later contacted him.

You can even check all that with a member of the $200 division who no doubt informed you of the situation.

Quote:
Originally Posted by ChicagoRy View Post
Plus, once the community learned of the details of the programs they were using, the community did not accept them as fair to use.
The ‘community’ being other HU hyper regs I assume? I’m shocked that people in direct competition to us didn't like what we were doing.

I understand where they were coming from. If i wasn’t working with Skier, I wouldn’t like it either. But that doesn’t make it “unfair use”.
freech is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-04-2015, 02:54 AM   #3191
ChicagoRy
 
ChicagoRy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: ColoradoRy
Posts: 20,428
Re: 3rd Party Software on PokerStars: Proposed Rule Changes

I've talked a lot privately on these words we've exchanged.

To conclude publicly, I think the disconnect is in that the hu hyper regs did not like what you were doing and were very fearful/angry/talkative about it, yet weren't fearful about other opponents of theirs that had preflop charts. Rather than them being against you because you were their opponents, I think they were OK with other opponents bc those opponents had known things (usually excel charts or jpegs).

I think they felt the skier stuff was making players play the same with limited thinking and there wasn't a lot of substantial information to argue otherwise. Stars clearing something doesn't mean people shouldn't question or ask about it, especially something as vague as what is allowed in preflop play (the ToC were pretty vague before).

This doesn't mean you should've been more forthcoming, but my original point in my posts a few back was that you let the mid to HS HUSNG community know you had something and knowing you had some program doing something different created a lot of talk, plenty paranoia and fear. My article reported that and I thought it was a fair article (and the automatic lock analogy I thought was fair, you don't, we can agree to disagree on some of that, and that's not a criticism).

About those guys you mention, callme, squire, they've never had any relation to my site I believe. Kobmish I didn't know at the time of the controversy. Splodge was a coach in the stable that I sponsor at the time, but his views were likely bc he is/was a $200s reg in those games. He wasn't a contributor to the article (nor was Coffee except for me asking him for an on the record quote). Fightingcoward owns his own large stable, though I sell a spin and go HUD he created on my site. But I think he was or is in 200-300s when this happened, so his posts are probably a result of that. Nobody posted on my behalf.

Last edited by ChicagoRy; 11-04-2015 at 03:02 AM.
ChicagoRy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-04-2015, 03:03 AM   #3192
danuuutz
adept
 
danuuutz's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2012
Posts: 870
Re: 3rd Party Software on PokerStars: Proposed Rule Changes

Quote:
Originally Posted by MrBigFish View Post
Switch to StarsHelper
Is starshelper legal at this moment?

What other cheap and legal alternatives are there to table ninja 1? I am not interested in tn2.

I am not allowed to acces pokerstars.com or .eu link and if I do so I am redirected to the pokerstars.ro website, which does not have the prohibited list on it. Can anyone help me with the legal and unlegal list? thank you.
danuuutz is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-04-2015, 03:26 AM   #3193
cr1s5t1
centurion
 
Join Date: Feb 2014
Posts: 198
Re: 3rd Party Software on PokerStars: Proposed Rule Changes

You can try the Table Optimizer danutz, but now also this was nerfed by the new changes.
It hasn`t got the iso option when you have limper/s now, just the opens preflop and some bets on streets. It`s ok for the autotimebank and also for stacking/tiling the tables.
cr1s5t1 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-04-2015, 11:26 PM   #3194
freech
journeyman
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Posts: 207
Re: 3rd Party Software on PokerStars: Proposed Rule Changes

Quote:
Originally Posted by ChicagoRy View Post
but my original point in my posts a few back was that you let the mid to HS HUSNG community know you had something and knowing you had some program doing something different created a lot of talk, plenty paranoia and fear.
This is not the case at all. We didn't say anything to anyone. They looked on datamining sites and saw that our pre flop stats were almost identical.

After people realised that we had the same pre flop stats, I was relatively forthcoming with people on Skype about what was going on. We had a big chat in 200s about it, and I spoke individually to some people who questioned me on the subject. I, like most people don't appreciate being accused of cheating by their peers.

I didn't go into great detail, but I said on many occasions we were using pre flop charts which is why our pre flop stats were the same but not post flop. So people knew Stars were ok with what we were doing, I explained why certain stats matched, but other regs still refused to believe (or accept?) the situation. Hence the article?

Still waiting for you to address the questions from the posts before...
freech is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-04-2015, 11:58 PM   #3195
MKarne
adept
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Posts: 762
Re: 3rd Party Software on PokerStars: Proposed Rule Changes

Quote:
Originally Posted by danuuutz View Post

I am not allowed to acces pokerstars.com or .eu link and if I do so I am redirected to the pokerstars.ro website, which does not have the prohibited list on it. Can anyone help me with the legal and unlegal list? thank you.
Use proxy, anomymizer. The list might not be all up to date eg. hem1 may not be there, in case it should be there.
MKarne is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-05-2015, 08:31 AM   #3196
pootietang
grinder
 
Join Date: Jun 2015
Posts: 428
Re: 3rd Party Software on PokerStars: Proposed Rule Changes

If pokerstars really are gonna ban HUDs bad things will happen. Cheaters finding a undetectable HUD program taking a lot of the money. Also people fleeing to other sites. One of the great things about playing online is when you start using a HUD IMO. You have hundreads/thousands of hours where you have a ton of excitement learning to use and expanding your HUD. HUD is a way to keep you motivated and playing more and learning more about the game IMO. Also u have the chance to play 6-40 tables at once which is insane volume and rake paid. The recs has a higher ROI ATM because a lot of their opponents are playing up to 30 tables at once and therefore playing their C or D game. remove HUD and regs will play less tables and therefore play with much more focus on each table and just as good or slightly better or worse than if using a hud. Difference is pokerstars is not gonna get as much money from rake.
pootietang is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-05-2015, 06:06 PM   #3197
Donkem
journeyman
 
Donkem's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2014
Location: Close to donks
Posts: 359
Re: 3rd Party Software on PokerStars: Proposed Rule Changes

Quote:
Originally Posted by pootietang View Post
If pokerstars ...from rake.
+1
Donkem is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-10-2015, 04:08 PM   #3198
pootietang
grinder
 
Join Date: Jun 2015
Posts: 428
Re: 3rd Party Software on PokerStars: Proposed Rule Changes

I must add since i cannot edit my post:
The regs AND recs that are now able to play up to 150 MTTs per session with HUD will now have to play far less tables maybe down to 20% of the volume that they could play with a HUD. This hurts the pricepools overall to a very large extent which again will attract less recs.
pootietang is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-12-2015, 09:12 AM   #3199
Kardnel
veteran
 
Join Date: May 2009
Posts: 2,571
Re: 3rd Party Software on PokerStars: Proposed Rule Changes

GJ stars for getting rid of tiered high rake back and GJ starting to get rid of software that assists players. Edit: I hope you do a lot more on the software assistance front. A few of my friends that grind 10/20+ on your site have a hud that virtually plays the game for them with a "badge" that tells them every spot to give action. This is crap for the longevity of poker obviously. They actually agree too that this is bad for the games and poker etc but they feel they should use because otherwise they are putting themselves at a disadvantage.

These are definitely both good moves for improving game quality. I hope you continue down this path.

The sit out thread is super funny when I glanced at it - buncha guys that claimed will stop playing and "prove it" by sitting out for 3 days in protest. Yet at the same time everyone is saying "oh no way bro theres no way we'll get banned" cause ya that matters so much if you were actually serious in your threat to stop playing.

It is honestly a little shocking that regs are protesting this so hard BTW. This is GOOD for us!

Last edited by Kardnel; 11-12-2015 at 09:27 AM.
Kardnel is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-13-2015, 12:00 AM   #3200
pootietang
grinder
 
Join Date: Jun 2015
Posts: 428
Re: 3rd Party Software on PokerStars: Proposed Rule Changes

Quote:
Originally Posted by Kardnel View Post
GJ stars for getting rid of tiered high rake back and GJ starting to get rid of software that assists players. Edit: I hope you do a lot more on the software assistance front. A few of my friends that grind 10/20+ on your site have a hud that virtually plays the game for them with a "badge" that tells them every spot to give action. This is crap for the longevity of poker obviously. They actually agree too that this is bad for the games and poker etc but they feel they should use because otherwise they are putting themselves at a disadvantage.

These are definitely both good moves for improving game quality. I hope you continue down this path.

The sit out thread is super funny when I glanced at it - buncha guys that claimed will stop playing and "prove it" by sitting out for 3 days in protest. Yet at the same time everyone is saying "oh no way bro theres no way we'll get banned" cause ya that matters so much if you were actually serious in your threat to stop playing.

It is honestly a little shocking that regs are protesting this so hard BTW. This is GOOD for us!
Haha if you think just being a HUD bot at 10/20 will make you a profitable player you are very very wrong. That does not even work at 1/2. Level of competition is very high and 1/2 grinders are hard working players and not HUD bots. You dont seem to understand that these changes will make people move down in stakes and games will be tougher overall.

Does this badge u are talking about tell them to fold, call or raise by any chance?
pootietang is offline   Reply With Quote

Reply
      

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off


Forum Jump


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 06:58 PM.


Powered by vBulletin®
Copyright ©2000 - 2021, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright © 2008-2020, Two Plus Two Interactive