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Old 10-28-2015, 01:22 AM   #3151
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Re: 3rd Party Software on PokerStars: Proposed Rule Changes

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This is so disgusting by the owners of Tableninja. They know there are a group of players out there who were incredibly loyal customers of TN1 and don't like TN2. They know the fix to make TN1 compliant with Stars is roughly a 5 minute job for one of their programmers. And they also know that they can legitimately trot out the old line of its being "no longer supported" to hopefully force some of the TN1 users to switch to TN2.

How about just doing the right thing for once instead of the most profitable?
i totally agree with this. Just get rid of the `counting limpers` ability for tn1.
I mean seriously if u want the $ that badly being a tooootal dick about 3rd paty changes, make a tn1 donation service, i`ll gladly send the tn2 annual payment there (pretty sure there are ppl out there feeling the same).
Just do the right thing one time cmon.
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Old 10-28-2015, 04:56 AM   #3152
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Re: 3rd Party Software on PokerStars: Proposed Rule Changes

They stopped updating tn1 like 2 years ago, those guys run a ****ing business ffs. Teh only argument that can be made fir that update is that tn1 originally was sold with "lifetime" updates which was a misleading statement yet is some sort of strong argument to make dat one exception
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Old 10-28-2015, 05:42 PM   #3153
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Re: 3rd Party Software on PokerStars: Proposed Rule Changes

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This is so disgusting by the owners of Tableninja. They know there are a group of players out there who were incredibly loyal customers of TN1 and don't like TN2. They know the fix to make TN1 compliant with Stars is roughly a 5 minute job for one of their programmers. And they also know that they can legitimately trot out the old line of its being "no longer supported" to hopefully force some of the TN1 users to switch to TN2.

How about just doing the right thing for once instead of the most profitable?
Hi,

I am sorry to hear you feel this way. Unfortunately we will not be releasing a fix to comply with the new PS TOS.

TN1 users that would like to upgrade to TN2, click here http://www.holdemmanager.com/tn2-upgrade.php

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Old 10-28-2015, 06:59 PM   #3154
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And they also know that they can legitimately trot out the old line of its being "no longer supported" to hopefully force some of the TN1 users to switch to TN2.

How about just doing the right thing for once instead of the most profitable?
Switch to StarsHelper
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Old 10-28-2015, 07:14 PM   #3155
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Hi,

I am sorry to hear you feel this way. Unfortunately we will not be releasing a fix to comply with the new PS TOS.

TN1 users that would like to upgrade to TN2, click here http://www.holdemmanager.com/tn2-upgrade.php
cold as ice
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Old 10-29-2015, 12:18 AM   #3156
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Hi,

I am sorry to hear you feel this way. Unfortunately we will not be releasing a fix to comply with the new PS TOS.

TN1 users that would like to upgrade to TN2, click here http://www.holdemmanager.com/tn2-upgrade.php
Why would anyone want to buy a product that works extremely crappy (this is oppinion of many many actual winning poker players/users, i`ve done my research on this topic and i do have a decent pool to ask ppl) highly overpriced w lolAnnual payment, when there are miles better alternatives out there way way way way way better than TN2.
Esp with THIS kind of support to existing customers (TN1 PS 3rd party topic, u forcing ppl to buy ur crappy soft has killed any of my respect for u guys).
U just need to spend 5 minutes surfing internet, and boom. Business guys gonna business lol fkme. I was extremely loyal to TN1 and was ready to send decent $ if only u created any donation service and asked for it to get right fixes, and if u wouldn`t be complete d*cks about this whole PS 3rd party nonsense in ur own self interest showing the true face. Not anymore, good thing u actually forced me to switch to much better products i wasnt aware of now tyvm, i hope others are not gonna be dumb and will do the same.
P.S. I`m sorry ur sorry u made us feel this way. Kappa.

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Old 10-29-2015, 04:39 AM   #3157
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Re: 3rd Party Software on PokerStars: Proposed Rule Changes

what about LIFE TIME licence to TN1 users?? Was it only marketing trick? Is this the way how you deal with your customers?

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Old 10-29-2015, 05:26 AM   #3158
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Re: 3rd Party Software on PokerStars: Proposed Rule Changes

^ Assume good faith. If they are no longer able offer what was paid for then I'm sure they will be returning the purchase price you paid. They would have problems with their credit card processors if they acted otherwise.
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Old 10-29-2015, 05:36 AM   #3159
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Re: 3rd Party Software on PokerStars: Proposed Rule Changes

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Hi,

I am sorry to hear you feel this way. Unfortunately we will not be releasing a fix to comply with the new PS TOS.
Thanks but I was advised to check out Table Optimizer and I'm glad I did. Great program and far superior to TN.
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Old 10-30-2015, 09:10 AM   #3160
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what about LIFE TIME licence to TN1 users?? Was it only marketing trick? Is this the way how you deal with your customers?
Who could have expected a business to use a marketing trick to sell a product?

They offers support for the lifetime of the product, the product is now dead.
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Old 11-01-2015, 06:30 PM   #3161
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Re: 3rd Party Software on PokerStars: Proposed Rule Changes

I got a message saying HEM 1 is not allowed anymore.

Is HEM 2 ok?

When will HEM 1 not be allowed it still works ok for me.
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Old 11-01-2015, 11:29 PM   #3162
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Re: 3rd Party Software on PokerStars: Proposed Rule Changes

Negreanu pretty much just confirmed on Twitter that the plan is for HUDs and scripting scripts to be gg'd very soon

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Old 11-02-2015, 01:26 AM   #3163
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Re: 3rd Party Software on PokerStars: Proposed Rule Changes

i notice HEM 2 is allowed and I don't see HEM 1 on the list of banned software so I don't know why I keep getting these popups.
Pokerstars make a deal with HEM so people will upgrade?
https://www.pokerstars.eu/poker/room/prohibited/

What will happen to me if i just keep playing using HEM 1?
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Old 11-02-2015, 01:41 AM   #3164
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Re: 3rd Party Software on PokerStars: Proposed Rule Changes




Doomswitch is on.
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Old 11-02-2015, 07:19 AM   #3165
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Re: 3rd Party Software on PokerStars: Proposed Rule Changes

can u still import hands and track ur results or is this also something recs have to be protected against lol? don't care about the hud.
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Old 11-02-2015, 07:33 AM   #3166
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Re: 3rd Party Software on PokerStars: Proposed Rule Changes

can I get some cliffs? haven't followed this at all but got a pokerstars popup warning for pokertracker 4 and accidentally clicked it away
guess I just have to update pt4?
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Old 11-02-2015, 07:47 AM   #3167
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Re: 3rd Party Software on PokerStars: Proposed Rule Changes

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i notice HEM 2 is allowed and I don't see HEM 1 on the list of banned software so I don't know why I keep getting these popups.
Pokerstars make a deal with HEM so people will upgrade?
https://www.pokerstars.eu/poker/room/prohibited/

What will happen to me if i just keep playing using HEM 1?
+1.

I modified my HUD so it uses 3 colours only aswell, FWIW
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Old 11-02-2015, 08:08 AM   #3168
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can I get some cliffs? ... guess I just have to update pt4?
correct
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Old 11-02-2015, 08:10 AM   #3169
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+1.

I modified my HUD so it uses 3 colours only aswell, FWIW
Doesnt matter since hem still has teh functionality
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Old 11-02-2015, 08:54 AM   #3170
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Re: 3rd Party Software on PokerStars: Proposed Rule Changes

Is it correct that I have to delete Pop Up Charts? Like NASH e.g. from my hud?

People are still quite insecure whats forbidden and whats not..
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Old 11-02-2015, 12:39 PM   #3171
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Re: 3rd Party Software on PokerStars: Proposed Rule Changes

Yeah I stopped the HUD on HEM1 and I'm still getting these popups.

What's the legality of pokerstars scanning your own personal computer for this stuff?
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Old 11-02-2015, 12:46 PM   #3172
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Re: 3rd Party Software on PokerStars: Proposed Rule Changes

I rather have them scanning my computer and having cheatings russians on my table with all kind of prohibited software.

I am using HM2 and dont get any pop ups with the newest version. They wont ban HUDs in general, they just ban a few functions.. two many colors.. some pop ups etc.
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Old 11-02-2015, 01:09 PM   #3173
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Re: 3rd Party Software on PokerStars: Proposed Rule Changes

*** HEM 1 tbh. Need to update to HEM 2 anyway
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Old 11-03-2015, 03:36 AM   #3174
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awesome news ^, hope many more people get to experience the pain and feel the wrath of Stars stupidity spawned by the angry 2p2 mob and the husng.com idiot crusaders over skier's stuff. hope this ends up costing them $.
I think your post is quite ignorant.

Just because you spent 100s of hours and thousands of dollars on your own charts and skier's actions caused this stuff to get banned (his team had robot avatars prior to my article, were happy that the community knew they used some mysterious program, since it gave them a psychological edge, but threw a fit once people got upset) doesn't mean I'm an idiot for writing a factual article about a situation that was already exploding.

Plus, once the community learned of the details of the programs they were using, the community did not accept them as fair to use. Stars says they were already planning to act on software. Even if that isn't true, the community knew the facts of Skier's programs far before Stars announced bannings. If the community thought this stuff was OK, they would've said so in this thread and in NVG.

That doesn't make anyone involved a bad person or mean anyone was doing anything wrong, but to call me an idiot because Stars drew the line on the wrong side of your personal material is wrong.

Separate your posting from your own selfish motives and you'll see how much of a baseless attack it is.

Your points about excel charts have some validity, but it has nothing to do with my article or any crusade you've made up about me.
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Old 11-03-2015, 10:23 AM   #3175
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Re: 3rd Party Software on PokerStars: Proposed Rule Changes

Complete ban for tracking softwares? WTF?
Should I buy PT4 as I planned or you think this sanction will be applied soon?
A toal ban of HUD's it's too much IMO.
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