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Old 10-13-2015, 02:29 AM   #3101
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Old 10-13-2015, 01:57 PM   #3102
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jennifear push/fold charts allowed?
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Old 10-13-2015, 09:45 PM   #3103
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i mean hey whatever, they want players like me out of the pool. my 21 stat HUD is what's killing the poker economy. i get the message
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Old 10-13-2015, 10:01 PM   #3104
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i mean hey whatever, they want players like me out of the pool. my 21 stat HUD is what's killing the poker economy. i get the message
These changes are great for you if you use a relatively small HUD.
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Old 10-14-2015, 02:19 AM   #3105
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You're going to spoil the amusement that reading those rants was bringing, TDA.
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Old 10-14-2015, 02:43 AM   #3106
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how is it great for me. i use like 10 color ranges for a bunch of stats. the jerks who were motivated to cheat with datamining and dynamic whatever decision making programs will still be motivated and will find ways to evade whatever lackluster effort of enforcement stars made. so i am still gonna be getting rogered by whoever they are, while at the same time the totally honest and legit custom HUD + ranges i have developed for myself and learned to use to win in spite of all the cheating is now considered a unfair edge ? so you cut my balls off and force me to re learn a system for quickly and easily reading my HUD while doing what exactly to stop the jokers who are actually cheating ?

what happens when i manage to develop a new edge ? you'll just take that away from me as well via some other totally arbitrary limitation, because i am the easy target. it just feels like if you're not a redepositor you will be made to feel unwelcome, and the legit regs are the easiest target. and the arbitrariness of it. what next ? where does it end ? where exactly is the line drawn, if i am somehow part of the problem when i've never even used table ninja or any other external programs at all other than poking at odds oracle a couple times (dont understand it)

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Old 10-14-2015, 07:43 AM   #3107
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Old 10-14-2015, 08:06 AM   #3108
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Wow... Those new rules are completely ridiculous, arbitrary and borderline impossible to enforce imo...

Instead of this BS, maybe PS could come up with smth like this (posted this in the Jivaro thread before but I guess this is a better place):

I think it would be a great idea of pokerstars to offer a built-in HUD (with opt-in feature) and abolish all third party software.

I think a lot of people are quite delusional if they assume recs have never heard of HUDs or that people use statistics software to play online poker. Some of the fish I know personally actually stopped playing online because they felt that people using this software have an unfair advantage on them.

By using an opt-in feature, regs could choose to opt-in and use the basic built-in HUD provided by the client. However, they would be only able to see stats of other opted-in players. If a rec does not want to use the HUD, his stats won't show up for the HUD users.

With this option, regs would still be able to multi-table as they have stats on other regs (and obv you could immediately identify the fish as they won't be opted-in). For the recs however, it would feel way more fair as they would know that nobody is able to use any statistics on them. This would somehow level the field (at least as perceived by the recs) and still let people multi-table efficiently. Moreover, if pokerstars announces that third-party software is now banned, a lot of casual players would feel way safer playing online again. If you ever played live, you probably know tons of these rigtards, who stopped playing online because they know that people use software and feel disadvantaged or straight-up cheated.

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Would never work, too logical.
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Old 10-14-2015, 02:58 PM   #3109
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jennifear push/fold charts allowed?
"Jennifear" has been listed as prohibited software even during the time that skier's charts were allowed. I queried whether or not this referred to the charts or some other package earlier but they didn't answer.

I think now they won't be allowed as they "go beyond a basic level". You need to distill the key information in them into a simpler form that you could print out as an A4 sheet. Maybe it sucks but doing that will be a good study experience for you and help your game.
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Old 10-14-2015, 09:31 PM   #3110
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how is it great for me. i use like 10 color ranges for a bunch of stats. so you cut my balls off and force me to re learn a system for quickly and easily reading my HUD while doing what exactly to stop the jokers who are actually cheating ?
Stop acting as if the removal or limiting of the amount of allowable colors one can use in their HuD is the end of the world. If you're unable to process your HuD information quickly and accurately that's your problem.

I had alot of pretty HuD stats as well in my HuD that were dimmed grey when my sample sizes were small. Ex. A guy with at 100% cbet but only 5/5 opportunities would be a difficult to see grey color rather than my normal red color for high aggression in a stat.

It's not the end of the world that they changed it so now it shows up red in my HuD when playing on Stars/Tilt. I'm a smart enough person to look and consider the sample size before making my decisions based off of one single HuD stat. These new changes may actually be more beneficial to stronger players as some weaker players are unable to process the information without their pretty HuD color codes and will struggle more when having to interpret the numerical information by itself.

Stop crying and get on with it. I'd imagine PokerStars probably will make more changes in the next few years that will have an even greater effect to HuD use so be somewhat thankful the current changes are mostly only cosmetic.
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Old 10-15-2015, 04:49 AM   #3111
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Can someone give me cliffs, was notecaddy software banned from stars ? Was any other software banned too?
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Old 10-15-2015, 05:18 AM   #3112
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You got barred, along with sparkgraphs and badges
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Old 10-15-2015, 07:30 AM   #3113
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Can someone give me cliffs, was notecaddy software banned from stars ? Was any other software banned too?
Cliffs are not easy to give. NC was not banned, it was updated to be in compliance. Best thing is to read the doc and if you think something you are using is against the rules ask stars support via email if you don't see it listed on their software page.
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Old 10-15-2015, 08:03 AM   #3114
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if you think something you are using is against the rules ask stars support via email if you don't see it listed on their software page.
I agree that anyone with doubts should ask pokerstars via email. NC did have to make some big changes to stay compliant. However, some features were added to try and offset the lost value. I can't post links here but if you google "notecaddy 2.6" the first result is the sales pitch for the new features.
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Old 10-15-2015, 04:00 PM   #3115
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I agree that anyone with doubts should ask pokerstars via email. NC did have to make some big changes to stay compliant. However, some features were added to try and offset the lost value. I can't post links here but if you google "notecaddy 2.6" the first result is the sales pitch for the new features.
Oh FFS well done. just pretend auto generated flags (via another app) are manual, just embed stuff in notes....sheesh...have you not got it yet?

What you do is toxic. Stars have finally got that.

NB Stars: Time to ban pop ups now, stop em hiding this in there, time to limit notes to text only.....every time these chancers skate the rules act quick before some smuck pays for it.

Just what makes you think instant recall of previous hands for software paying regs is fair vs newbies without the same? Even before you skate the data mining cheats that no doubt fits with your software.....all you are selling is an unfair paid for advantage. PARASITE.

Come on Stars, stop them trying to put unfair advantage in to new features skating your rules...act quick. Just look at what they are doing and consider "fair and open" - your legal requirement.

Love you too Sreti.
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Old 10-15-2015, 04:21 PM   #3116
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NB Stars: Time to ban pop ups now
You've finally jumped the shark.
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Old 10-15-2015, 04:36 PM   #3117
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You've finally jumped the shark.
He does have a point - if people are just going to shift any banned hud items to popups/notes it defeats the purpose of the rules.
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Old 10-15-2015, 04:42 PM   #3118
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You've finally jumped the shark.
Maybe, I can accept calling it wrong, everyone makes mistakes, let's just see how the parasites abuse them [pop ups].

Simple basic hud only, only link to notes (basic in character) seems to me like the only defensible line for people (LIKE ME) who think people should be allowed to have HUDs (where sites permit, preferably with an icon to show they are using a HUD).

Hiding stuff in pop ups (and related auto stuff) or "embedding" stuff in notes.....sheesh...lets get back to fair an open.. Shifting the dynamic HUD elsewhere does not solve the "fair and open" question.

Loads of people have moaned on about enforcement, the real issue for the next few months is compliance with the general principle, stopping the clever parasites skating the new rules. Me I think stopping pop ups works but hey ho we have Stars seeing the problem at last, maybe they have a cleverer option to stop people shifting stuff under the hood (with potential automated hotkey or other pop up generating code sold as an add on and so not jeopardising the main operators approval.

We have a few months of innovation by parasites, hopefully it is met by a quick, effective, response.

If you like pop ups - please explain how they make poker better, or fairer or more attractive to new players. Just what is the plus for them (except to the elite few using them)?
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Old 10-15-2015, 05:05 PM   #3119
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There's no point discussing this with someone who constantly refers to people, who are apparently playing within the rules, as parasites. You've used the term 3 times in the post above. You've completely lost all semblance of being someone who is taking a balanced and pragmatic view about online poker and instead come off as being blinded by your own prejudices and dogmatic views.

I'll continue playing online poker, it's a fun little hobby for me. I also enjoying discussing poker with people on here and trying to help out others by giving out advice (for what it's worth). That's clearly not something you are interested in and I'm not even sure if you play online. So I'll leave you to go on your crusade for a game I don't think you even play and I'll go on having fun.
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Old 10-15-2015, 05:12 PM   #3120
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Re: 3rd Party Software on PokerStars: Proposed Rule Changes

I don't get how the NC solution works. I thought the rule was 'no non-numerical data' - full stop? IMO that's a good solution; get rid of text beyond replicating what is within the client (e.g. player name), get rid of pictures, hell, you can even get rid of colour-coding as far as I'm concerned because these are all things which limit the skilful element in HUD use.
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Old 10-15-2015, 05:14 PM   #3121
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There's no point discussing this with someone....
If you don't get that third party software suppliers are essentially parasitical* then fair enough. Just pretend I never used the term. Meanwhile, deal with the substance.

*IMHO only when trying to deliver an unfair advantage, not a mere hotkey or software for analysis outside of play (well assuming they make efforts to stop data cheating).
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Old 10-15-2015, 10:18 PM   #3122
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Let's remember that it all started with a HU SNG high stakes player (skier_5) who wanted to make some money on the side from a dying format and ChicagoRy who felt that his little HU SNG business was threatened by skier's programme. Now, we, cash game players, are getting screwed because of a game we don't even play.
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Old 10-15-2015, 10:31 PM   #3123
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And a game which is a complete joke to begin with...
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Old 10-15-2015, 10:48 PM   #3124
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He does have a point - if people are just going to shift any banned hud items to popups/notes it defeats the purpose of the rules.
Indeed, and once again it was all predicted months ago. The software arms race continues, and will probably result in mutually assured destruction.
Sreti's apparent strategy of updating NC to try and provide a similar level of "in-game advice", without directly breaking the new rules, might just tempt Stars to ban NoteCaddy outright.
I would not be going to war against Pokerstars if I was him. It's comply or die imo.
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Old 10-15-2015, 11:27 PM   #3125
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Let's remember that it all started with a HU SNG high stakes player (skier_5) who wanted to make some money on the side from a dying format and ChicagoRy who felt that his little HU SNG business was threatened by skier's programme. Now, we, cash game players, are getting screwed because of a game we don't even play.
Worth reiterating that pokerstars had seen exactly what skier was using and how it worked and cleared it as being acceptable. The sole catalyst for change was that ridiculous move by ChicagoRy and coffeeyay when they decided they no longer cared about integrity and produced that carefully crafted article to try and get the rules changed in their favour. I think everyone has finishing the article with:

"To The Community

Does this seem fair to you? Let PokerStars know by emailing support@pokerstars.com and requesting that game integrity read your opinion on this being fair or unfair."

to thank for the current situation and the fallout that games are experiencing from it.
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