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Old 10-06-2015, 01:59 AM   #3051
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Re: 3rd Party Software on PokerStars: Proposed Rule Changes

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For the most part 3 colors is plenty because you need a huge sample before more than three would be statistically meaningful. And huge sample tends to mean illegal data mining usage.
This is a joke right? Because 4 relevant colors must mean OMG HUGE SAMPLE, Q.E.D. illegal data mining.
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Old 10-06-2015, 05:34 AM   #3052
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The color rule is one big joke. In before changing the font based on the value of the statistic.
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Old 10-06-2015, 05:42 AM   #3053
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Re: 3rd Party Software on PokerStars: Proposed Rule Changes

3b is premium (AA,KK,QQ,AK) in HM2 is allowed?

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Also didnt get it ,can i keep 3 colours red/green/blue for example .. or does one have to be white?
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Old 10-06-2015, 06:34 AM   #3054
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^ Would you be able to split your stat into red/green/blue using two thresholds?

What's not to understand?
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Old 10-06-2015, 07:04 AM   #3055
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Re: 3rd Party Software on PokerStars: Proposed Rule Changes

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On Unibet (anonymous players) the fish lose their money quicker. It's easier for a good player to play without a hud as it simplifies the decisions.
Unibet isn't anonymous, but you can change alias 3 times per week. Casual players also do not lose their money faster, quite the opposite.
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Old 10-06-2015, 07:14 AM   #3056
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Re: 3rd Party Software on PokerStars: Proposed Rule Changes

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^ Would you be able to split your stat into red/green/blue using two thresholds?

What's not to understand?
Yes if using PT4 (not sure about HM2) the default colour can be set. So technically all you do is change default to Blue.
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Old 10-06-2015, 07:56 AM   #3057
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Re: 3rd Party Software on PokerStars: Proposed Rule Changes

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3b is premium (AA,KK,QQ,AK) in HM2 is allowed?
No, I don't believe so. You have to have numbers so you could have 3B as a number of 2.7% that you would have to interpret but not a non-numeric.
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Old 10-06-2015, 08:10 AM   #3058
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Re: 3rd Party Software on PokerStars: Proposed Rule Changes

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Unibet isn't anonymous, but you can change alias 3 times per week. Casual players also do not lose their money faster, quite the opposite.
I'd argue that's because the site is soft enough that the ratio is great and the regs are terrible.
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Old 10-06-2015, 12:54 PM   #3059
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Re: 3rd Party Software on PokerStars: Proposed Rule Changes

The starting stack hand charts rule needs to go. I get more and more infuriated at this as each day goes on. PS, how can you possibly fathom that anyone playing according to that pdf will not be freerolled? OFC people will still have any charts up that are helpful on side computers. This is so ridiculous, you have to get rid of this ******ed new rule.

Furthermore, have you released a Russian copy of this PDF? Many of the Russian hyper regs cant speak English well and obv have no idea this is going on or what the new [******ed] rules are. Still waiting for you to email every player about this. When I brought this topic up to a couple of my nosebleed limit player friends their response was : "huh? link?." Followed by: "this is so dumb and impossible to enforce/control."
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Old 10-06-2015, 01:41 PM   #3060
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The biggest problem with this is that Pokerstars has to be able to PROPERLY enforce these new regulations otherwise the advantage gap between "cheaters" and "non cheaters" will be enormous.

I understand that commercial software like PT4 and HEM may be able to help with the enforcement of some of these new rules by enabling software limitations, but what if some non-commercial software developer makes his own database software with his own HUD and own custom scripts. How does Pokerstars handle that?
yep.
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Old 10-06-2015, 01:46 PM   #3061
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Re: 3rd Party Software on PokerStars: Proposed Rule Changes

if my color thresholds can provide an unfair advantage when used in conjunction with THIS THAT OR OTHER program uhhhh .... BAN THE PROGRAMS ?


if you can't tell who is using those programs and who isnt then uhhhhh uhhhh uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
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Old 10-06-2015, 07:11 PM   #3062
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Damn, Assasinato has three less HUDs to sell..

Poor guy

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Old 10-06-2015, 07:29 PM   #3063
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Re: 3rd Party Software on PokerStars: Proposed Rule Changes

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I'd argue that's because the site is soft enough that the ratio is great and the regs are terrible.
The reg:rec ratio is very important, I think. The rewards system and lower rake in the micros apparently helps to keep weaker players around too, and they even award tickets to a decent freeroll to players that lose more than 20 euros (IIRC) in a week. (Giving "free money" to losers is a pretty revolutionary way of keeping them afloat).
I'd imagine that some players still have shocking loss rates on the Unibet tables though, because there are evidently some very high winrates.
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Old 10-07-2015, 04:42 AM   #3064
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Re: 3rd Party Software on PokerStars: Proposed Rule Changes

So I had been playing with a ProPokerHud the last five or six months. I was mainly just using their numerical statistics in my own configured setup.

One of the things I liked about their statistics was not that they were color coded for passive to aggressive tendency but that the colors were less transparent when the sample size was smaller on a statistic. Say my opponent had only 4 attempted cbets in our entire history together the "cbet percentage in non 3bet pots" would be a very dim gray and a difficult to see statistic on my display. As I attained more of a sample of his cbet the stat would become more bold and clear on the display.

Is this something that is no longer allowed and or can no longer be replicated in the allowable HuDs on PokerStars/FullTilt?

If so I'm going to start dumbing down my on screen HuD display even more and only including some of the more easily populated statistics in my display. The rest I'll move into popups.

Thanks.
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Old 10-07-2015, 04:59 AM   #3065
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Re: 3rd Party Software on PokerStars: Proposed Rule Changes

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The reg:rec ratio is very important, I think. The rewards system and lower rake in the micros apparently helps to keep weaker players around too, and they even award tickets to a decent freeroll to players that lose more than 20 euros (IIRC) in a week. (Giving "free money" to losers is a pretty revolutionary way of keeping them afloat).
I'd imagine that some players still have shocking loss rates on the Unibet tables though, because there are evidently some very high winrates.
I was one of the losers this week. There were 419 players in it last night with the top 100 players being awarded 40 euros each, so you have just under 10 euros equity in it.

But yes it's nice, the 40 euros I got was more than my loss to qualify for it.
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Old 10-07-2015, 05:49 AM   #3066
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Re: 3rd Party Software on PokerStars: Proposed Rule Changes

Pokerstars keeps letting this datamining going on spin and gos. i'm speechless, this has been going for several months now. and nothing has been done yet. this is a way more urgent to resolve before anything else.
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Old 10-07-2015, 07:08 AM   #3067
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Re: 3rd Party Software on PokerStars: Proposed Rule Changes

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So I had been playing with a ProPokerHud the last five or six months. I was mainly just using their numerical statistics in my own configured setup.

One of the things I liked about their statistics was not that they were color coded for passive to aggressive tendency but that the colors were less transparent when the sample size was smaller on a statistic. Say my opponent had only 4 attempted cbets in our entire history together the "cbet percentage in non 3bet pots" would be a very dim gray and a difficult to see statistic on my display. As I attained more of a sample of his cbet the stat would become more bold and clear on the display.

Is this something that is no longer allowed and or can no longer be replicated in the allowable HuDs on PokerStars/FullTilt?

If so I'm going to start dumbing down my on screen HuD display even more and only including some of the more easily populated statistics in my display. The rest I'll move into popups.

Thanks.
As per the latest version of PT4, no color code expressions are allowed (coloring by sample).
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Old 10-07-2015, 11:25 AM   #3068
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Re: 3rd Party Software on PokerStars: Proposed Rule Changes

So no more coloful hud, only numeric stats, does it worth purchasing any 3rd party app except HM or PT?
Too bad that good regs giving away their edge on online field and actually happy about the decision
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Old 10-07-2015, 11:33 AM   #3069
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Re: 3rd Party Software on PokerStars: Proposed Rule Changes

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So no more coloful hud...
three colours of your choice per stat is fairly colourful don't you think?
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Old 10-07-2015, 11:55 AM   #3070
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three colours of your choice per stat is fairly colourful don't you think?
Honestly I don't think that any restrictions should be as long its not help you to gain information that you shouldn't know like villains cards etc.
At the end of the day those applications are only help you to track after your rivals by specfying every act they doing and analyze it visually, maybe we as human beings cannot do that but we cannot also multitabling 20 tables in one session so I think that the whole artificial intelligance in poker debate is really hypocrite.
Some of the advantages of online poker are those applications, they help reduce variance and creating a fair edge between regs and fishes, I honestly dont think that those restrictions will help the fishes to close the gaps because they will remain weak players.
Just another calculated move by the monopoly called pokerstars (which also coincidentally bought Jivaro recently) to keep their fishes in the net.
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Old 10-07-2015, 12:59 PM   #3071
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those applications, they help reduce variance and creating an unfair edge between regs and fishes
fyi
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Old 10-07-2015, 11:52 PM   #3072
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But yes it's nice, the 40 euros I got was more than my loss to qualify for it.
Nice. Poker's not dead yet. Lektor is back in the game and he's ready to donate some more euros. But seriously, congrats.
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Just another calculated move by the monopoly called pokerstars (which also coincidentally bought Jivaro recently) to keep their fishes in the net.
Source? It's just a rumour, or the fantasy of the Jivaro team, isn't it?
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Old 10-08-2015, 07:49 AM   #3073
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Re: 3rd Party Software on PokerStars: Proposed Rule Changes

It is just a rumor based on what I read in the NVG thread about it.
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Old 10-08-2015, 12:13 PM   #3074
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Hold Em Manager

Hey so can people still use hold em manager on poker stars? My feeling is that does it really matter if they ban all other huds, if they aren't banning the most used then it's a pointless exercise?
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Old 10-08-2015, 01:02 PM   #3075
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No one is banning any huds on pokerstars. Ofc you can use hm there.
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