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Old 10-02-2015, 03:50 PM   #2976
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Re: 3rd Party Software on PokerStars: Proposed Rule Changes

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You know whats gonna happen if they ban huds? The "hudbot" will go from 16 tables to 4-6 and exploit the **** out of bad players. His hourly might go down but the winrate will go up.
I'm really sick of hearing this counter argument to a ban on HuDs. Most of the "hudbot" software using "reg" players playing 16+ tables of poker actually aren't very good at poker. They just suck less than the casual non software using recreational player. Most of them will still suck at that same rate or a similar rate while playing less tables, yet recreational players will have the opportunity to play against a higher percentage of recreational players on average in that environment.

Let's stop this insinuation that the somehow "meh" regs that make up a large percentage of the multitablers on PokerStars will then somehow become elite regs if they start playing less tables. Please, just stop it.

I'm open to various other arguments for or against HuD use but this one just really annoys me.
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Old 10-02-2015, 03:51 PM   #2977
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Re: 3rd Party Software on PokerStars: Proposed Rule Changes

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You're not giving your opinions you're trolling. You can't play on stars, you're not concerned in the slightest by these news.

You know whats gonna happen if they ban huds? The "hudbot" will go from 16 tables to 4-6 and exploit the **** out of bad players. His hourly might go down but the winrate will go up.

What will you complain about once you realize huds are not the reason you're a losing player?



Exactly.
lol, as if the vast majority of regs (esp. those who complain about the ban of huds) actually have the skill set to "exploit the ****" out of bad players, just by reducing number of tables and being more observant.

it's quite obvious that banning hud will allow the shark/fish ratio to drastically improve because mediocre regs cannot multi table as easily as before. (even idiots like you were able to allude that hourly for winning players will go down due to this)

it's really funny how these mediocre "hud bots" preach the importance of hud for reg battles and off table work, (they only say this because it has minimal impact on the recs), and never cite anything about its impact on multi tabling and allowing to suck rec money much faster than without.

these 24 tabling, 10hr/day grinding hudbots are not exactly needed in today's poker economy, get a grip with the reality lol.
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Old 10-02-2015, 03:51 PM   #2978
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Are huds or 3rd party apps allowed in any of the legal US sites?
I certainly wouldn't be using this to advance any point you are trying to make considering the legal situation with online poker in the land of the not so free.
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Old 10-02-2015, 03:55 PM   #2979
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You're not giving your opinions you're trolling. You can't play on stars, you're not concerned in the slightest by these news.
It was announced this week that stars are returning to the USA.

http://www.pressofatlanticcity.com/n...51b069664.html
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Old 10-02-2015, 03:55 PM   #2980
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I'm really sick of hearing this counter argument to a ban on HuDs. Most of the "hudbot" software using "reg" players playing 16+ tables of poker actually aren't very good at poker. They just suck less than the casual non software using recreational player. Most of them will still suck at that same rate or a similar rate while playing less tables, yet recreational players will have the opportunity to play against a higher percentage of recreational players on average in that environment.

Let's stop this insinuation that the somehow "meh" regs that make up a large percentage of the multitablers on PokerStars will then somehow become elite regs if they start playing less tables. Please, just stop it.

I'm open to various other arguments for or against HuD use but this one just really annoys me.
+1, very well said.

guys like TR7 and definitearticle should work on their game instead of writing self serving and idiotic responses.
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Old 10-02-2015, 04:06 PM   #2981
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Are Caddyspark graphs still allowed or will they be removed? I have them on my HUD but never use them and cant figure out how to remove them

Also, does "Have statistics which are split based on card values. For example, AGGRESSION FREQUENCY is fine, AGGRESSION FREQUENCY ON FLUSH DRAW BOARDS is not. Similarly, COUNT OF AKO WHEN 3-BET would also be prohibited. "

^ does the above mean that ANY stats based on card values are prohibited? So any stats based on flush boards, A high boards, paired boards etc would be disallowed? Because there are alot of such stats in Notecaddy packs, will they be removed by HM2?
As said earlier in the thread, the HEM and PT guys are co-operating with Stars in order to not break the new rules. There was a HEM update rolled out a couple of days ago that will automatically disable some features, including those of Notecaddy. No one can force you to press the update button when you fire up HEM though, and I presume the "old" HUD and NC will continue to work as normal until Stars rewrites the HH format or does something clever like looking up which version of the HUD software you're running.
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Old 10-02-2015, 04:13 PM   #2982
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I certainly wouldn't be using this to advance any point you are trying to make considering the legal situation with online poker in the land of the not so free.
That was actually a serious question.
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Old 10-02-2015, 04:14 PM   #2983
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+1, very well said.
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Games would be amazing all round. It would even coax me out of my meh poker hiatus and not limit my play to gambling it up in dumb Sunday mtts only, I'd 100% make more time for it. Now when I fancy playing, even right now, I login and see the boring same old rubbish and decide against it. Sadly all the sites I used to play on have 0 liquidity at msnl or cap their stakes to 5/10. Stars would be pretty amazing if it was a level playing field, it could almost take it back a couple of years.
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Old 10-02-2015, 04:20 PM   #2984
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That was actually a serious question.
It was a serious reply.
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Old 10-02-2015, 04:21 PM   #2985
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It was a serious reply.
As usual you deflect and never answer.
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Old 10-02-2015, 04:31 PM   #2986
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As usual you deflect and never answer.
Well I thought the response was pretty obvious and didn't think I would have to spell it out for you but I will.

To try to use the stance of a country where online poker is banned for most of it's citizens as some sort of indicator as to whether or not the use of huds should be allowed is probably the most ridiculous argument I have seen yet for banning huds. The US are hardly progressive on such matters
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Old 10-02-2015, 04:34 PM   #2987
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Re: 3rd Party Software on PokerStars: Proposed Rule Changes

And to answer the literal question - yes, PT4 HUD worked on PartyPoker NJ as far as I can tell, though of course it does not any more.
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Old 10-02-2015, 05:07 PM   #2988
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Re: 3rd Party Software on PokerStars: Proposed Rule Changes

Is holdem manager and downloading of hand histories allowed on stars?
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Old 10-02-2015, 05:32 PM   #2989
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Is holdem manager and downloading of hand histories allowed on stars?
yes
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Old 10-02-2015, 06:10 PM   #2990
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Is holdem manager and downloading of hand histories allowed on stars?
Downloading from where?

Not hands you didn't play in downloaded from the internet.
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Old 10-02-2015, 06:39 PM   #2991
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The faster that new players lose their money the less likely it is that they will carry on playing.
Except that is demonstrably NOT the case, they stay around longer, play more and lose more at the looser anon tables. They have more fun, actually book the odd win. All this was in the link that showed that players unsurprisingly lose faster in games with bigger pots at that same blibd level.
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Old 10-02-2015, 06:53 PM   #2992
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SpinWiz still clearly on the "allowed" list here https://www.pokerstars.uk/poker/room/prohibited/
Irrelevant as Pokerstars announced they would first warn everyone that SpinWiz was banned. And they have emailed all users I believe. Then after a grace period for all to comply the prohibited list will be updated and offending players will be banned.
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Old 10-02-2015, 06:54 PM   #2993
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Why isn't this same logic used for banning other SnG 'helpers' and cash game seating scripts?

Either predatory behaviour is bad for the ecology of the games, or it isn't.
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Old 10-02-2015, 10:02 PM   #2994
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Wait, let me get one thing straight. We're only allowed to color code players up to only 3 colors? Is that correct?
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Old 10-02-2015, 10:24 PM   #2995
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Wait, let me get one thing straight. We're only allowed to color code players up to only 3 colors? Is that correct?
What colour coding are you talking about?

[1] PokerStars Colour Codes System in their software:
You can use as many different colours as you like to distinguish player types etc. These colours don't change if the player starts to play differently.

[2] HM2/PT4/Other tracking software:
For any stat in the hud you can only assign a maximum of 3 colours to distinguish ranges of player behaviour - these colours change in the stat as the player behaviour changes

EXAMPLE:You might set this up
VPIP < 15 = tight = Blue
VPIP 15 to 25 = normal = white
VPIP 25 to 35 = loose = Orange
VPIP > 35 = maniac = Red
PokerStars are saying you can no longer use 4 colours for that stat - you have to bring it down to 1, 2 or 3 colours, but not 4 or more
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Old 10-02-2015, 11:09 PM   #2996
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And to answer the literal question - yes, PT4 HUD worked on PartyPoker NJ as far as I can tell, though of course it does not any more.
HUDs still work in NJ....
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Old 10-02-2015, 11:11 PM   #2997
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HUDs still work in NJ....
they won't on party software soon assuming all skins adopt the new party software rules/changes recently announced
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Old 10-02-2015, 11:22 PM   #2998
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they won't on party software soon assuming all skins adopt the new party software rules/changes recently announced
well yea, but this isnt happening anytime soon. Party rep said theres no timeline for these changes in NJ and they are notoriously slow on making any updates here. Id be shocked if this happened in less than a year.
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well yea, but this isnt happening anytime soon. Party rep said theres no timeline for these changes in NJ and they are notoriously slow on making any updates here. Id be shocked if this happened in less than a year.
I don't follow the NJ discussions close enough to know that so I will defer to you on that since you are playing there.
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Old 10-03-2015, 03:00 AM   #3000
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What were going to have is a situation where everyone uses the old versions of PT4 and HM2 to keep the old stats and colours used in their HUD's. Also why have PT4 + HM2 taken away previous colour and stats for HUD when using rooms other than Stars. I don't see why they can't prevent certain stats when just on stars, like they do when limiting HH's when observing a table.
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