+1M!

Please ban all huds stars, it will revive the game which became pure numbers game. Lets play some real poker please.

Poker is a pure numbers game whether you have HUDs or not, it's just that bad players don't realise it.

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I use HUD myself fwiw in order not to be in disadvantage,
Doesnt matter good players/bad players. Most human brains wouldnt be able to keep track of all the information in the same way PT/HM does. Thats what i ment.

So basicly as far I see it those softwares are a way of cheating and gaining unfair edges.

Why go to facebook when you can read NVG? The bolded part can be said about this thread. I have yet to see a good, winning player whine about hud.

On the other hand live players from the US are posting in this thread about what should be legal on a site they can't play on.

Well this is indeed a public forum to express ones opinion, yes? Let's also not forget who built the poker stars pyramids. Now stop being a wise guy. And cry me a river cause you can't use a hud anymore. Time to actually learn how to play.

You see, this is what I don't get. Sure, there will be some regs who relied heavily on super-premium HUDs who will be negatively affected, but the vast majority of regs will lose out by microblinds at most, and fish will still lose at an incredibly rate. HUD users aren't worse technical players because they use a HUD - in fact, the skills required to use a HUD effectively have significant overlap with core technical skills of poker.

On Unibet (anonymous players) the fish lose their money quicker. It's easier for a good player to play without a hud as it simplifies the decisions.

Then getting rid of huds will be of no issue, correct?

It would be bad for multitabling grinders.

Again, not the petinent point. The pots are bigger, multi-player and multi street play more common, variance far higher. Those are the key measures not that for a given BB level the games play bigger so losses greater.

Anon tables deliver higher variance - which is good for recs and ther expeience.

Hving said that I don't like anon games for other reasons.

So when I emailed you months ago and asked if a programme existed that could stop you playing against certain people and you replied:

You gave me completely the wrong information.

how many more people did you misinform about this?

HUDs make the game significantly more fun. That's why I support retaining them (as well as there being no good reason to get rid of them).

So you're saying that they don't give an unfair advantage?

They give an advantage, but not one which is unfair. I replied pretty extensively last time you decided to baselessly assert unfairness, I'm not going to bother again.

2+2 to the rescue

The faster that new players lose their money the less likely it is that they will carry on playing.

Why isn't this same logic used for banning other SnG 'helpers' and cash game seating scripts?

Either predatory behaviour is bad for the ecology of the games, or it isn't.

You could send out a survey to all of your customers with a simple question: "Would you prefer random seating to be available in all game formats?" but I think we already know what the majority view would be.
It's crazy that Stars still offers table and seat-selection in many games. It sends the message that you actually welcome bumhunters to your site.

Pokerstars doesn;t give a **** about player safety, only the appearance of it. This is why they do not comment on every game datamined, why bots go on for a year taking over a million out of the community bypassing such a self proclaimed " sophisticated security system" and found by a normal guy, and why there live run tournaments like EPT Barcelona are a laughing stock when they don;t even have any cameras and try to HUSH up major security flaws. If this occurs LIVE what the hell are they covering up for profits in secret on there hidden island.

Are Caddyspark graphs still allowed or will they be removed? I have them on my HUD but never use them and cant figure out how to remove them

Also, does "Have statistics which are split based on card values. For example, AGGRESSION FREQUENCY is fine, AGGRESSION FREQUENCY ON FLUSH DRAW BOARDS is not. Similarly, COUNT OF AKO WHEN 3-BET would also be prohibited. "

^ does the above mean that ANY stats based on card values are prohibited? So any stats based on flush boards, A high boards, paired boards etc would be disallowed? Because there are alot of such stats in Notecaddy packs, will they be removed by HM2?

Thanks

SpinWiz still clearly on the "allowed" list here https://www.pokerstars.uk/poker/room/prohibited/

You're not giving your opinions you're trolling. You can't play on stars, you're not concerned in the slightest by these news.

You know whats gonna happen if they ban huds? The "hudbot" will go from 16 tables to 4-6 and exploit the **** out of bad players. His hourly might go down but the winrate will go up.

What will you complain about once you realize huds are not the reason you're a losing player?

Exactly.

I'd start with your hot breath.

Are huds or 3rd party apps allowed in any of the legal US sites?

Because without their HUD they would not be winners most likely.

Its always the same old bull**** regs that support the use of HUDs. Learn how to play poker without knowing in front of your face that a certain player folds to a 4b x% of the time its not poker in anyway - you arent working for that stat, you havent worked it out and you most likely bought HHs to import into your HUD to give you that info - I did the same. Poker is a memory game as well as a numbers game. Maybe your brain isnt very good and you need a piece of software. Its very simple, you arent good for the game, all the people mass tabling arent good for the game. If you want poker to get better you have to ban these things.

I sound like I'm a bitter person about HUDs, I used one from time to time, I'm not bitter as this barley affects me anymore, I'm just so adamant banning them would be beneficial to everyone. I no longer play professionally, now I log on to Stars and see mass tabling eastern euros all playing a boring, robotic style which makes it no fun for fish and recs. All my whale friends (real whales not 100nl fish) and old out of touch pros who are likely fish now wont play but would come back in a heartbeat if they knew that Stars had banned and made an example out of people using 3rd party software. They still like action but wont be 'cheated' or taken advantage of nor play in an environment which is unfair.