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Old 10-02-2015, 07:21 AM   #2951
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If you need any indication of why banning 3rd party software (of any sort incl HUDs) would be great for poker - head over to Facebook and look at PokerNews latest news piece about Stars banning 'some 3rd party software' - the sheer amount of comments from fish (it's pretty obvious these people are mostly fish if you read what they say about poker). Unfortunately I think these people think that all HUDs are banned - which they should be - not sure they realize it's just specific features within a HUD that Stars are thinking of banning.

Just get rid of any 3rd party software and see how amazing the games become. No mass tablers from Eastern Europe, no robotic players, no seating scripts - a level playing field and it would be insanely good for the game.
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Please ban all huds stars, it will revive the game which became pure numbers game. Lets play some real poker please.
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Old 10-02-2015, 08:32 AM   #2952
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Please ban all huds stars, it will revive the game which became pure numbers game. Lets play some real poker please.
Poker is a pure numbers game whether you have HUDs or not, it's just that bad players don't realise it.
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Old 10-02-2015, 08:43 AM   #2953
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Poker is a pure numbers game whether you have HUDs or not, it's just that bad players don't realise it.
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Old 10-02-2015, 11:15 AM   #2954
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Poker is a pure numbers game whether you have HUDs or not, it's just that bad players don't realise it.
I use HUD myself fwiw in order not to be in disadvantage,
Doesnt matter good players/bad players. Most human brains wouldnt be able to keep track of all the information in the same way PT/HM does. Thats what i ment.

So basicly as far I see it those softwares are a way of cheating and gaining unfair edges.
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Old 10-02-2015, 12:09 PM   #2955
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If you need any indication of why banning 3rd party software (of any sort incl HUDs) would be great for poker - head over to Facebook and look at PokerNews latest news piece about Stars banning 'some 3rd party software' - the sheer amount of comments from fish (it's pretty obvious these people are mostly fish if you read what they say about poker).
Why go to facebook when you can read NVG? The bolded part can be said about this thread. I have yet to see a good, winning player whine about hud.

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Am I naive or out of touch to believe that poker should be played the same way, either live or online?
On the other hand live players from the US are posting in this thread about what should be legal on a site they can't play on.
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Old 10-02-2015, 12:39 PM   #2956
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Why go to facebook when you can read NVG? The bolded part can be said about this thread. I have yet to see a good, winning player whine about hud.



On the other hand live players from the US are posting in this thread about what should be legal on a site they can't play on.
Well this is indeed a public forum to express ones opinion, yes? Let's also not forget who built the poker stars pyramids. Now stop being a wise guy. And cry me a river cause you can't use a hud anymore. Time to actually learn how to play.
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Old 10-02-2015, 12:52 PM   #2957
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And cry me a river cause you can't use a hud anymore. Time to actually learn how to play.
You see, this is what I don't get. Sure, there will be some regs who relied heavily on super-premium HUDs who will be negatively affected, but the vast majority of regs will lose out by microblinds at most, and fish will still lose at an incredibly rate. HUD users aren't worse technical players because they use a HUD - in fact, the skills required to use a HUD effectively have significant overlap with core technical skills of poker.
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Old 10-02-2015, 12:55 PM   #2958
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You see, this is what I don't get. Sure, there will be some regs who relied heavily on super-premium HUDs who will be negatively affected, but the vast majority of regs will lose out by microblinds at most, and fish will still lose at an incredibly rate. HUD users aren't worse technical players because they use a HUD - in fact, the skills required to use a HUD effectively have significant overlap with core technical skills of poker.
On Unibet (anonymous players) the fish lose their money quicker. It's easier for a good player to play without a hud as it simplifies the decisions.
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Old 10-02-2015, 12:56 PM   #2959
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You see, this is what I don't get. Sure, there will be some regs who relied heavily on super-premium HUDs who will be negatively affected, but the vast majority of regs will lose out by microblinds at most, and fish will still lose at an incredibly rate. HUD users aren't worse technical players because they use a HUD - in fact, the skills required to use a HUD effectively have significant overlap with core technical skills of poker.
Then getting rid of huds will be of no issue, correct?
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Old 10-02-2015, 01:03 PM   #2960
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Then getting rid of huds will be of no issue, correct?
It would be bad for multitabling grinders.
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Old 10-02-2015, 01:06 PM   #2961
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On Unibet (anonymous players) the fish lose their money quicker. It's easier for a good player to play without a hud as it simplifies the decisions.
Again, not the petinent point. The pots are bigger, multi-player and multi street play more common, variance far higher. Those are the key measures not that for a given BB level the games play bigger so losses greater.

Anon tables deliver higher variance - which is good for recs and ther expeience.

Hving said that I don't like anon games for other reasons.
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Old 10-02-2015, 01:11 PM   #2962
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The game type where ‘players are unable to select or register to a specific table’ is, of course a reference to the Spin & Go tournaments. And as a result of this policy change, effective October 1st, SpinWiz and other related software that is aimed at game selection in these games, will be prohibited.

The main reason for this decision is that one of the most significant features of Spin & Gos is that there is no game selection and that it should be random who you play against. Software of the type we are now banning systematically bypasses this feature to the detriment of those who are not using the software. Some might also see this as disingenuous towards the thousands of players who go into these games thinking that it is entirely random who they are drawn to play against.

In accordance with our usual procedure, our first objective will be to educate people who do not realise that this form of software is now prohibited. Consequently, we will have sent a notification of these rule changes to players who we know have been using such software in the recent past. None of these players have broken any of our rules, but we want to make sure that everyone has first-hand information so that they do not inadvertently end up in a situation where they break the rules in the future.

Moving forward

While seat-selection programs will be prohibited in Spin & Gos, we are not changing our policy towards generic seating scripts at this time. However, we want to strongly emphasize ‘at this time’
So when I emailed you months ago and asked if a programme existed that could stop you playing against certain people and you replied:

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can confirm that Spin & Go players are chosen at random. We have no knowledge of any such programs mentioned by your friend.

As for 'Hide from search' feature, I can confirm that once you have activated the feature, you will not be found by another player (unless he/she is searching all tables which may become an impossible task as the tables starts/finish constantly).

Also, if you are looking for another player using 'Find a Player' feature and your search does not produce any results, it indicates that player is currently offline, is online but not seated at any tables, playing in a Home Game table or that they have the "Hide from Search Feature" currently activated.

Hope this helps.

Should you have any additional questions, please do not hesitate to contact us again, and thank you for playing at PokerStars.
You gave me completely the wrong information.

how many more people did you misinform about this?
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Old 10-02-2015, 01:37 PM   #2963
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Then getting rid of huds will be of no issue, correct?
HUDs make the game significantly more fun. That's why I support retaining them (as well as there being no good reason to get rid of them).
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Old 10-02-2015, 01:39 PM   #2964
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HUDs make the game significantly more fun. That's why I support retaining them (as well as there being no good reason to get rid of them).
So you're saying that they don't give an unfair advantage?
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Old 10-02-2015, 01:40 PM   #2965
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So you're saying that they don't give an unfair advantage?
They give an advantage, but not one which is unfair. I replied pretty extensively last time you decided to baselessly assert unfairness, I'm not going to bother again.
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Old 10-02-2015, 01:45 PM   #2966
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Old 10-02-2015, 01:48 PM   #2967
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Again, not the petinent point. The pots are bigger, multi-player and multi street play more common, variance far higher. Those are the key measures not that for a given BB level the games play bigger so losses greater.

Anon tables deliver higher variance - which is good for recs and ther expeience.

Hving said that I don't like anon games for other reasons.
The faster that new players lose their money the less likely it is that they will carry on playing.
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Old 10-02-2015, 01:58 PM   #2968
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The main reason for this decision is that one of the most significant features of Spin & Gos is that there is no game selection and that it should be random who you play against.
Why isn't this same logic used for banning other SnG 'helpers' and cash game seating scripts?

Either predatory behaviour is bad for the ecology of the games, or it isn't.

You could send out a survey to all of your customers with a simple question: "Would you prefer random seating to be available in all game formats?" but I think we already know what the majority view would be.
It's crazy that Stars still offers table and seat-selection in many games. It sends the message that you actually welcome bumhunters to your site.
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Old 10-02-2015, 02:21 PM   #2969
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Why isn't this same logic used for banning other SnG 'helpers' and cash game seating scripts?

Either predatory behaviour is bad for the ecology of the games, or it isn't.

You could send out a survey to all of your customers with a simple question: "Would you prefer random seating to be available in all game formats?" but I think we already know what the majority view would be.
It's crazy that Stars still offers table and seat-selection in many games. It sends the message that you actually welcome bumhunters to your site.
Pokerstars doesn;t give a **** about player safety, only the appearance of it. This is why they do not comment on every game datamined, why bots go on for a year taking over a million out of the community bypassing such a self proclaimed " sophisticated security system" and found by a normal guy, and why there live run tournaments like EPT Barcelona are a laughing stock when they don;t even have any cameras and try to HUSH up major security flaws. If this occurs LIVE what the hell are they covering up for profits in secret on there hidden island.
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Old 10-02-2015, 02:26 PM   #2970
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Re: 3rd Party Software on PokerStars: Proposed Rule Changes

Are Caddyspark graphs still allowed or will they be removed? I have them on my HUD but never use them and cant figure out how to remove them

Also, does "Have statistics which are split based on card values. For example, AGGRESSION FREQUENCY is fine, AGGRESSION FREQUENCY ON FLUSH DRAW BOARDS is not. Similarly, COUNT OF AKO WHEN 3-BET would also be prohibited. "

^ does the above mean that ANY stats based on card values are prohibited? So any stats based on flush boards, A high boards, paired boards etc would be disallowed? Because there are alot of such stats in Notecaddy packs, will they be removed by HM2?

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Old 10-02-2015, 02:36 PM   #2971
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SpinWiz still clearly on the "allowed" list here https://www.pokerstars.uk/poker/room/prohibited/
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Old 10-02-2015, 02:46 PM   #2972
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Well this is indeed a public forum to express ones opinion, yes? Let's also not forget who built the poker stars pyramids. Now stop being a wise guy. And cry me a river cause you can't use a hud anymore. Time to actually learn how to play.
You're not giving your opinions you're trolling. You can't play on stars, you're not concerned in the slightest by these news.

You know whats gonna happen if they ban huds? The "hudbot" will go from 16 tables to 4-6 and exploit the **** out of bad players. His hourly might go down but the winrate will go up.

What will you complain about once you realize huds are not the reason you're a losing player?

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You see, this is what I don't get. Sure, there will be some regs who relied heavily on super-premium HUDs who will be negatively affected, but the vast majority of regs will lose out by microblinds at most, and fish will still lose at an incredibly rate. HUD users aren't worse technical players because they use a HUD - in fact, the skills required to use a HUD effectively have significant overlap with core technical skills of poker.
Exactly.
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Old 10-02-2015, 02:46 PM   #2973
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You're not giving your opinions you're trolling. You can't play on stars, you're not concerned in the slightest by these news.

You know whats gonna happen if they ban huds? The "hudbot" will go from 16 tables to 4-6 and exploit the **** out of bad players. His hourly might go down but the winrate will go up.

What will you complain about once you realize huds are not the reason you're a losing player?
I'd start with your hot breath.
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Old 10-02-2015, 03:19 PM   #2974
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Are huds or 3rd party apps allowed in any of the legal US sites?
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Old 10-02-2015, 03:26 PM   #2975
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Why go to facebook when you can read NVG? The bolded part can be said about this thread. I have yet to see a good, winning player whine about hud.



On the other hand live players from the US are posting in this thread about what should be legal on a site they can't play on.
Because without their HUD they would not be winners most likely.

Its always the same old bull**** regs that support the use of HUDs. Learn how to play poker without knowing in front of your face that a certain player folds to a 4b x% of the time its not poker in anyway - you arent working for that stat, you havent worked it out and you most likely bought HHs to import into your HUD to give you that info - I did the same. Poker is a memory game as well as a numbers game. Maybe your brain isnt very good and you need a piece of software. Its very simple, you arent good for the game, all the people mass tabling arent good for the game. If you want poker to get better you have to ban these things.

I sound like I'm a bitter person about HUDs, I used one from time to time, I'm not bitter as this barley affects me anymore, I'm just so adamant banning them would be beneficial to everyone. I no longer play professionally, now I log on to Stars and see mass tabling eastern euros all playing a boring, robotic style which makes it no fun for fish and recs. All my whale friends (real whales not 100nl fish) and old out of touch pros who are likely fish now wont play but would come back in a heartbeat if they knew that Stars had banned and made an example out of people using 3rd party software. They still like action but wont be 'cheated' or taken advantage of nor play in an environment which is unfair.

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