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Old 09-30-2015, 04:17 AM   #2851
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Re: 3rd Party Software on PokerStars: Proposed Rule Changes

What a mess
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Old 09-30-2015, 04:39 AM   #2852
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Re: 3rd Party Software on PokerStars: Proposed Rule Changes

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The line has to be drawn somewhere so no autofolders and no bet size that is based upon others actions rather than the knowns before the cards are dealt (position). It really is not hard to grasp and the benefits of a clear line are pretty obvious given the propensity for some to want to automated more "standard" stuff.
Exactly. If the line shouldn't be drawn here, where should it be drawn?

So if someone thinks auto-counting limpers should be allowed and the line should be somewhere else then fine, but they should be able to state two very similar things that fall on either side of the line they want so as to illustrate exactly where that line is.
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Old 09-30-2015, 04:42 AM   #2853
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Re: 3rd Party Software on PokerStars: Proposed Rule Changes

I posted in the commercial software forum but can someone please tell me what will happen to my multi colored HuD stats if I update to the most recent PT4 update? Will they still show me a numerical value or will the Hud turn completely unusuable?

I have a ProPokerHuD MTT premium version but I don't use their HuD only their custom stats from the HuD and a variety of their popups. All the data displayed on my screen is numerical aside from me using their Steal badges.

Anyway, just curious if anyone has a custom PT4 HuD with multi colors and did the update. Thanks.
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Old 09-30-2015, 04:53 AM   #2854
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Re: 3rd Party Software on PokerStars: Proposed Rule Changes

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The biggest issue is that I don't see a single person who plays mid/high stakes reacting positively to the changes, and there is no reason to believe that these rule changes will be better for the long term health of either poker or Pokerstars. The people cheering on Pokerstars the most in this thread are obviously not professional players, and their decision to play on Pokerstars will not be affected by the rule changes anyways.
Just to make the paragraph pointless. I play midstakes and welcome all changes. Think they're good. I know a few others who think the same.
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Old 09-30-2015, 05:12 AM   #2855
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Re: 3rd Party Software on PokerStars: Proposed Rule Changes

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I posted in the commercial software forum but can someone please tell me what will happen to my multi colored HuD stats if I update to the most recent PT4 update? Will they still show me a numerical value or will the Hud turn completely unusuable?

I have a ProPokerHuD MTT premium version but I don't use their HuD only their custom stats from the HuD and a variety of their popups. All the data displayed on my screen is numerical aside from me using their Steal badges.

Anyway, just curious if anyone has a custom PT4 HuD with multi colors and did the update. Thanks.
I have tested the new update and the numerical values will still work, however, the colors will be messed up.
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Old 09-30-2015, 05:24 AM   #2856
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You can still have static pre-configured betsizings, such as 55% of pot on flop, or open 3x UTG, 2.5x BTN, etc.

You just can't have dynamic betsizings that accounts for extra info such as number of limpers, such as raise 4bb + 1bb/limper
ok thx so static bet/raisesizes are ok but dynamic ones are not, that`s fine for me.

I welcome the restriction on huds too. I don`t know who knows the AJ Dynamic HUD but it has been a killer with all that info. Add to that the caddyscatter and caddysparkgraphs and fish has no fckn chance ...
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Old 09-30-2015, 05:37 AM   #2857
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Re: 3rd Party Software on PokerStars: Proposed Rule Changes

Hello xxx,

Thanks for your email.

As you know, we are in the midst of updating our policies towards the use of third party tools and services. Any time there are somewhat significant changes requires contact and communication with developers, grace periods to allow them to make the required changes to their software, time to educate our player base etc.

Subsequently, the proposed changes are not yet official and you may still use all third party tools in their current state, as you did before. However, we are certainly moving towards the implementation of the changes in the near future.

Unfortunately, as it is not known which developers will opt to make changes to their tool to be inline with these revisions, we are unable to confirm which tools will be or won't be able to be used once this transition period has expired and the rules are official.

Suffice to say, once the rules are official, they will be posted on our website and our stance towards prominent third party tools will be published. We will look to communicate these changes to the wider player base in the best way possible.

If you have any further questions, please don't hesitate to ask.

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Old 09-30-2015, 05:53 AM   #2858
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Re: 3rd Party Software on PokerStars: Proposed Rule Changes

^ so are the rules in effect or not?
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Old 09-30-2015, 06:06 AM   #2859
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Re: 3rd Party Software on PokerStars: Proposed Rule Changes

The list of prohibited software hasn't been changed yet.
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Old 09-30-2015, 06:12 AM   #2860
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^ so are the rules in effect or not?
Thank you for your email,

As the proposed changes are not yet official and you may still use all third party tools in their current state, as you did before.

Once the rules are official, we will look to communicate these changes to the wider player base in the best way possible.

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Old 09-30-2015, 07:34 AM   #2861
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Re: 3rd Party Software on PokerStars: Proposed Rule Changes

Wow !
I really hate this changes
Less winrates to the whole regs
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Old 09-30-2015, 07:40 AM   #2862
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Thank you for your email,

As the proposed changes are not yet official and you may still use all third party tools in their current state, as you did before.

Once the rules are official, we will look to communicate these changes to the wider player base in the best way possible.

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You need to change your terms of service to make the changes official. That's the contractual agreement between you and the players.
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Old 09-30-2015, 09:50 AM   #2863
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Re: 3rd Party Software on PokerStars: Proposed Rule Changes

So, now this type of config on StarsHelper would be ilegal ??



I really want to know this...
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Old 09-30-2015, 10:22 AM   #2864
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So, now this type of config on StarsHelper would be ilegal ??



I really want to know this...
I think the problem is the *nc. I have removed it from my config and only use static raisesizes. If you change your 3b to 9bb only and not 9bb+... then you should be fine.
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Old 09-30-2015, 10:26 AM   #2865
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I think removing/banning ALL software (incl HUDs) that gives a reg/pro an advantage over a rec is a MUST if online poker is to remain. Make it a level playing field (as far as software is concerned)
Lol I deposited like 6 times this month and lost my money so fast you wouldnt believe.

REAL FISH and REAL NEW PLAYERS will not last for much longer.
It's sad really, 5 years ago you saw all the big pricepools and you had the dream and feeling you could win.

Now you know even if you run good your gonna get rekt in middle phase.

Poker has become like roulette for me.
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Old 09-30-2015, 10:30 AM   #2866
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Re: 3rd Party Software on PokerStars: Proposed Rule Changes

the only rule change that's affecting me is the colour coding of stats.

why is it limited to 3? shouldn't it be 1 or as many as you want? if i can still see the stats what difference does it make if they're different colours? it just makes it easier to read.

i really hate this change, and don't understand any reason for it.
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Old 09-30-2015, 10:40 AM   #2867
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Re: 3rd Party Software on PokerStars: Proposed Rule Changes

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the only rule change that's affecting me is the colour coding of stats.

why is it limited to 3? shouldn't it be 1 or as many as you want? if i can still see the stats what difference does it make if they're different colours? it just makes it easier to read.

i really hate this change, and don't understand any reason for it.
it is 3 color ranges (2 thresholds) per stat. If you are talking about not using color ranges and having them be static (not changing when the stat goes up/down) then it doesn't matter if you have 50 stats and each stat is a different color. That rule is referring to more than 3 ranges (2 thresholds) for a single stat.

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Old 09-30-2015, 11:06 AM   #2868
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Old 09-30-2015, 11:12 AM   #2869
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yeah colour range per stat. i wouldn't have a rainbow coloured hud for the sake of it

if someone has a 90% vpip, i can still see it's a high number even if it's not the colour i want it to be for a high number, it just means i need to look at the number for an extra second and don't see why stars values getting rid of that ability
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Old 09-30-2015, 12:31 PM   #2870
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uhm, I use colors as abbrevations to make the hud smaller, i hope i dont get a problem with that lol.
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Old 09-30-2015, 12:32 PM   #2871
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the only rule change that's affecting me is the colour coding of stats.

why is it limited to 3? shouldn't it be 1 or as many as you want? if i can still see the stats what difference does it make if they're different colours? it just makes it easier to read.

i really hate this change, and don't understand any reason for it.
Because there are people selling HUDs (w/advanced custom stats) that the author explain how to play a lot of stats with auto-color ranges... so if color is (letīs say) green... you have to play Bet - Bet - Bet or if the color is Red (in a different stat) you have to play Call - Call - Call or Call - Call - Fold in a 3Bet pot. Imagine these people didnīt know how to play or why playing like that... but because of that "amazing" HUD they have an advantage, they would not in other way at real-time spots
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Old 09-30-2015, 12:56 PM   #2872
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it is 3 color ranges (2 thresholds) per stat. If you are talking about not using color ranges and having them be static (not changing when the stat goes up/down) then it doesn't matter if you have 50 stats and each stat is a different color. That rule is referring to more than 3 ranges (2 thresholds) for a single stat.

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Thanks for clearing that up. The Amaya statement was worded very poorly.
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Old 09-30-2015, 01:12 PM   #2873
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Re: 3rd Party Software on PokerStars: Proposed Rule Changes

Are the changes in effect already?

Shouldnīt there be some announcements via email or at least a pop-up in the client?
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Old 09-30-2015, 01:20 PM   #2874
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Are the changes in effect already?

Shouldnīt there be some announcements via email or at least a pop-up in the client?
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Old 09-30-2015, 01:25 PM   #2875
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it is 3 color ranges (2 thresholds) per stat. If you are talking about not using color ranges and having them be static (not changing when the stat goes up/down) then it doesn't matter if you have 50 stats and each stat is a different color. That rule is referring to more than 3 ranges (2 thresholds) for a single stat.

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...postcount=2794
It may be correct, but that's a very conservative reading of the statement. To me it seems more likely it's just a simple example than it is stating "At most, two thresholds are allowed for each stat". Otherwise why wouldn't they say that.

There's 2 pages following covering things a HUD may not do. Nowhere in this section does it say "color a stat using 3+ thresholds", or otherwise.

Also there's this banning of "basing the ranges upon population based tendencies", which makes no sense. Surely they didn't pull <20%, 20-30%, >30% as their example ranges for VPIP our of thin air. If they did, it's surprisingly close to the population tendencies for certain formats.
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