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Old 09-28-2015, 01:52 PM   #2776
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Re: 3rd Party Software on PokerStars: Proposed Rule Changes

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Is it Note traker feature of PT4 also not allowed from Aug 28th? since it works exactly as note caddy does, i think it isnt allowed but still i´d like to be sure.
No it doesnt they are similar for sure but NoteTracker doesnt even come close to the advantage of properly using NoteCaddy, for example...

Some of the features ONLY present NoteCaddy:

Filter notes based on player types
Spark graphs
Scatter graphs
Badges
Replay hands that were used for note creation
Custom note colors/font
Add notes to individual stat popups
Show how often a note occurred versus how often the player had the opportunity
Show how a player compares to the general player pool in notes
Filter notes to only show if a player performs in a manner significantly different than average
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Automatic color coding of PokerStars and OnGame players
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Display full note text in the HUD
Show notes only based on the current game type, player count, average stack size
Customize note categories
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I find the wall of text that NoteTracker provides next to useless when trying to make decision multi-tabling. So much so I have been really scrambling around to try and work out a way of doing my own thing.
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Old 09-28-2015, 02:18 PM   #2777
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Re: 3rd Party Software on PokerStars: Proposed Rule Changes

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Table Optimiser has had to remove most of the preset bet amounts such as 3bet/4bet/squeeze and postflop bet sizes based on limped/raised/3bet pot. I'd guess all other similar programs will follow suit.

So after hundreds of pages of people complaining about advanced NoteCaddy features/badges, seating scripts and pseudo-bots the main change implemented is to remove a basic feature of most programs which no-one complained about, has been in use for 10 years and is basically in the Stars client (as bet size buttons). Seriously wtf?
This is such a bad ruling. 100% agree. The consequence of this just slower play of a lot of players, which in turn generates less rake. In no way makes this software the games harder, it just makes playing more comfortable.

I don't want to play 8 tables zoom without preset bets and always have to use mousewheel/numberblock/2 clicks in order to 2.5x the blinds. Honestly, this is the biggest bullsh it. If stars were smart they would integrate such a functionality right into their client in order to get more players play more hands per hour.
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Old 09-28-2015, 02:28 PM   #2778
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If stars were smart they would integrate such a functionality right into their client in order to get more players play more hands per hour.
its been there for a while already
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Old 09-28-2015, 02:54 PM   #2779
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its been there for a while already
You certainly mean those buttons and the shortcut possibilty for % of the pot? In a way you are right, but its not the same and not nearly as convenient. But thank you for pointing out the alternative, almost forgot about that shortcut possibility.

After you set your sizings up with table optimizer you all you need is to bet and all is set. With pokerstars shortcuts i would have to use different shortcuts for different sizings, what makes it much more inconvenient as if you are able to predefine bet sizings and just have one generic bet shortcut for any bet you make. Im playing with a mouse btw, not with keyboard, thats why i need to have all my bets on one shortcut.

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Old 09-28-2015, 02:56 PM   #2780
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Re: 3rd Party Software on PokerStars: Proposed Rule Changes

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I never even got an email from them in the first place like some other people did but there were some important things in there that they added/modified one week before the deadline (which they also didn't announce anywhere publicly).
Seriously? You are the creator of NoteCaddy and you've not been kept up to date with the proposed rule changes, or what you should or shouldn't be adding/removing from your program?
I don't necessarily think you have any right to know what Stars plans to do arbitrarily, but it seems most unfair that some software developers have apparently been given advance information while others have not.
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Old 09-28-2015, 03:22 PM   #2781
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You certainly mean those buttons and the shortcut possibilty for % of the pot? In a way you are right, but its not the same and not nearly as convenient. But thank you for pointing out the alternative, almost forgot about that shortcut possibility.

After you set your sizings up with table optimizer you all you need is to bet and all is set. With pokerstars shortcuts i would have to use different shortcuts for different sizings, what makes it much more inconvenient as if you are able to predefine bet sizings and just have one generic bet shortcut for any bet you make. Im playing with a mouse btw, not with keyboard, thats why i need to have all my bets on one shortcut.
u can map to mouse buttons as well

so as an example for 2.5x blinds, u could just assign to the right click. there's lots of customization options
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Old 09-28-2015, 08:34 PM   #2782
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Table Optimiser has had to remove most of the preset bet amounts such as 3bet/4bet/squeeze and postflop bet sizes based on limped/raised/3bet pot. I'd guess all other similar programs will follow suit.

So after hundreds of pages of people complaining about advanced NoteCaddy features/badges, seating scripts and pseudo-bots the main change implemented is to remove a basic feature of most programs which no-one complained about, has been in use for 10 years and is basically in the Stars client (as bet size buttons). Seriously wtf?
100% agree. Notecaddy and some advances features seems unfair with some very specific notes that ppl would have a really really hard time to tell. Same applies to seating-scripts.

But pre and postflop betsizes? I dont see what it accomplishes. Im not going to stop isoR same amount, 3betting same amounts or squeezing same amounts. Seems a pretty idiotic rule only aiming to slow gameplay.
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Old 09-28-2015, 09:05 PM   #2783
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Re: 3rd Party Software on PokerStars: Proposed Rule Changes

lol at even considering banning something betsize related.
That would slow down the games and make it much harder to multitable for most regs
Which would lead to ppl playing way less tables as the time goes on, and thus making overall way less rake for pokerstars (and given their overall direction i would be shocked they would choose to take money out of their own pocket).
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Old 09-28-2015, 10:47 PM   #2784
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Re: 3rd Party Software on PokerStars: Proposed Rule Changes

I figured there would be some email or announcement today etc. I'm going to continue operating as I have been, using my static starting hand charts until PS updates their TOS/prohibited software ( https://www.pokerstars.com/poker/room/prohibited/
https://www.pokerstars.com/poker/roo...space=%20&_n=1 ), or posts again ITT confirming the PDF that was floating around is in place and the current version is current, or emailing the new/updated rules. Afaik the only reason I am aware of this (proposed?) rule change is because I've been following this thread. PS do you somehow expect everyone using your client to be aware of these (proposed?) rules change at this point?
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Old 09-28-2015, 11:35 PM   #2785
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Re: 3rd Party Software on PokerStars: Proposed Rule Changes

I just want to mention here that I am a PT4 HUD developer and the most recent update has screwed me hard.

HUD: PokerStars/Full Tilt: Only three conditions are now used when coloring HUD stats for PokerStars/Full Tilt due to new rules. The first two are user defined and the third is a catch-all default color.

To my knowledge this is only in effect when updating to v4.14.6.

Essentially if anyone has purchased/made a HUD with more than 2 colors, this will screw everything up.
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Old 09-28-2015, 11:43 PM   #2786
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Re: 3rd Party Software on PokerStars: Proposed Rule Changes

Nice to see PokerTracker privy to new rules before they even make the secret PDF
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Old 09-29-2015, 12:04 AM   #2787
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Re: 3rd Party Software on PokerStars: Proposed Rule Changes

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I just want to mention here that I am a PT4 HUD developer and the most recent update has screwed me hard.

HUD: PokerStars/Full Tilt: Only three conditions are now used when coloring HUD stats for PokerStars/Full Tilt due to new rules. The first two are user defined and the third is a catch-all default color.

To my knowledge this is only in effect when updating to v4.14.6.

Essentially if anyone has purchased/made a HUD with more than 2 colors, this will screw everything up.

A colour limit, wow!! Yikes!!


Another reason to be happy with my switch to tourneys (where my HUD has far fewer colours) ...
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Old 09-29-2015, 12:14 AM   #2788
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Re: 3rd Party Software on PokerStars: Proposed Rule Changes

The colour limit makes no sense. The colours of a HUD stat are entirely dependent upon the value of that stat and nothing else: additional information cannot be conveyed by using colours. Having fewer colours only means HUDs will be harder to read.

If automatically changing the appearance of a stat based on its value is banned then that implies that displaying the stat itself should be banned because its appearance changes according to its value (for example, if the value was 54 it would appear as 54 in the HUD, but if it was 53 it would appear as 53). There is no sense in this.
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Old 09-29-2015, 12:15 AM   #2789
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Nice to see PokerTracker privy to new rules before they even make the secret PDF
Yea its very frustrating because i get no advanced notice from PT4/Stars except for that extremely vague secret PDF document...

Now i have to recolor every HUD i have ever made into a 2 color scheme....FML
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Old 09-29-2015, 12:40 AM   #2790
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Re: 3rd Party Software on PokerStars: Proposed Rule Changes

yea the color denying/limiting seems a bit weird, but then again seems like not a big deal overall, and if it helps to limit some of the automated badges/nc type of stuff programs im cool with that. whatever.
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Old 09-29-2015, 12:42 AM   #2791
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Re: 3rd Party Software on PokerStars: Proposed Rule Changes

Dear Pokerstars,

While I have personal experience within this thread re: the frustration of discussing issues with people who aren't across all the facts, your communication strategy to NOT comment any further in this thread seems to suggest that you don't feel like your new rules are defensible. This strategy is also maximising the likelihood that people will be able to claim ignorance as an excuse for non compliance eg spinwiz is currently operating unimpeded yet your rule adjustments effective on Monday clearly state that spinwiz in its current form should now be banned.

Please sort this out. It seems like you haven't had enough time to think through the full ramifications of your proposed rule changes.

Please become credible again.
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Old 09-29-2015, 01:08 AM   #2792
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Re: 3rd Party Software on PokerStars: Proposed Rule Changes

Why is Spinwiz banned an seat scripts aren't?
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Old 09-29-2015, 01:33 AM   #2793
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HUD: PokerStars/Full Tilt: Only three conditions are now used when coloring HUD stats for PokerStars/Full Tilt due to new rules. The first two are user defined and the third is a catch-all default color.

Is this serious ?

How can assigning different colours to the stats can be a threat for anyone ?
This has to be the most stupid change I have ever seen in my life.

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Old 09-29-2015, 02:55 AM   #2794
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Re: 3rd Party Software on PokerStars: Proposed Rule Changes

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I just want to mention here that I am a PT4 HUD developer and the most recent update has screwed me hard.

HUD: PokerStars/Full Tilt: Only three conditions are now used when coloring HUD stats for PokerStars/Full Tilt due to new rules. The first two are user defined and the third is a catch-all default color.

To my knowledge this is only in effect when updating to v4.14.6.

Essentially if anyone has purchased/made a HUD with more than 2 colors, this will screw everything up.
Pokerstars rules document, page 28:
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Alter the colour of an individual statistic based on two different thresholds. For example, a HUD may show a VPIP statistic in red if it is less than 20%, white if it is between 20%-30% and green if it is greater than 30%. However, the thresholds must be raw values and cannot be dynamically calculated or population-percentile based.
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Old 09-29-2015, 03:18 AM   #2795
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Re: 3rd Party Software on PokerStars: Proposed Rule Changes

it says for example and includes 3 colors for example
so it does not say that you could not have a pink number if its above 70%

or am i just an idiot ?
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Old 09-29-2015, 03:23 AM   #2796
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it says for example and includes 3 colors for example
so it does not say that you could not have a pink number if its above 70%

or am i just an idiot ?
I can't comment on your idiocy or lack thereof , but I think you've missed the first sentence:

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Alter the colour of an individual statistic based on two different thresholds.
Emphasis mine.
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Old 09-29-2015, 03:25 AM   #2797
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Alter the colour of an individual statistic based on two different thresholds. For example, a HUD may show a VPIP statistic in red if it is less than 20%, white if it is between 20%-30% and green if it is greater than 30%. However, the thresholds must be raw values and cannot be dynamically calculated or population-percentile based.
This rule doesn't forbid having more than 2 thresholds - it does not say "up to 2 different thresholds". So the update implemented by PT and HM is not necessary in order to comply with the new rule set.
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Old 09-29-2015, 03:40 AM   #2798
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I'd say the implication that more than 2 isn't allowed is pretty obvious. Unless you think they just threw a number in there for ****s and giggles.
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Old 09-29-2015, 04:23 AM   #2799
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ok seems im an idiot but if this is true then pokerstars guys are way more idiots than me, while running a multi billion worth company lolz giving emphasis on multi color numbers while bots making a party.


edit: im too lazy to read all the PDF cause i dont rly care i only use basic stats to play and this will not affect me personally .
anyone can answer if notecaddy is tottaly banned? if its not then this color thing makes 0 sense

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2 thresholds => 3 different colors, right?
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