https://www.pokerstars.uk/poker/room/prohibited/

It says here a list of those tools that are banned, some huds included. Am I missing something??

Wow... Those new rules are completely ridiculous, arbitrary and borderline impossible to enforce imo...

Instead of this BS, maybe PS could come up with smth like this (posted this in the Jivaro thread before but I guess this is a better place):

I think it would be a great idea of pokerstars to offer a built-in HUD (with opt-in feature) and abolish all third party software.

I think a lot of people are quite delusional if they assume recs have never heard of HUDs or that people use statistics software to play online poker. Some of the fish I know personally actually stopped playing online because they felt that people using this software have an unfair advantage on them.

By using an opt-in feature, regs could choose to opt-in and use the basic built-in HUD provided by the client. However, they would be only able to see stats of other opted-in players. If a rec does not want to use the HUD, his stats won't show up for the HUD users.

With this option, regs would still be able to multi-table as they have stats on other regs (and obv you could immediately identify the fish as they won't be opted-in). For the recs however, it would feel way more fair as they would know that nobody is able to use any statistics on them. This would somehow level the field (at least as perceived by the recs) and still let people multi-table efficiently. Moreover, if pokerstars announces that third-party software is now banned, a lot of casual players would feel way safer playing online again. If you ever played live, you probably know tons of these rigtards, who stopped playing online because they know that people use software and feel disadvantaged or straight-up cheated.

Thoughts?

You're missing the part that says: And also that they haven't banned HUDs entirely, just "HUDs are no longer permitted to display non-numerical data, categorize players or dynamically display statistics specific to a certain situation."

any cliff on how they plan to enforce the rules ?

Im not following this thread very closely, but i need to know if i need to change my HM2 HUD. I dont want to inadvertantly breach the TOS, but its too confusing to fiugure out what can and cant be in my HUD.

will HM2 be updated to reflect the PS changes?

I really want to get all alpha-nerd and announce I had a 16k, but that was Dad's that I was allowed to use sometimes. My first computer was the 128k Spectrum (insert dubstep joke here). I started programming on the QL - that was a better machine than its success suggests.

Maybe that's the solution? Make everyone play poker on ZX Spectrums (Spectra?) - 128k = no room to run 3rd party software.

I like the long-term idea that a built-in HUD in the client will be the only allowed one.
Players would have the option to opt-in, and only then be able to see stats of other opted-in players. That way both regs and recs could choose what route to take.
A number of questions arise though that needs to be sorted. Such as players not being allowed to switch this on/off as it pleases/too often.

Still awaiting clarification regarding enforcing of the current rules.

If you are using the latest HM2 beta update you won't have to do anything to be in compliance with the new rules.

So I am seeing a warning that Tableninja 1 is not in compliance with the new Pokerstars TOS. I don't see any issue with it as long as you don't use the "add 1bb per limper" option.

Can we get an official word on this so I don't have to pay monthly for 3 hotkeys?

built in, yes, but no opt in at the same table is possible as it is not a hud.

basically if you keep using an old version of PT or HM that retains your old colour codes they will ignore you. maybe until you have enough $ to be worth banning for violation. because suddenly the same system of colour codes (without any other external programs: THATS IMPORTANT, YOU CANT TREAT ME LIKE THE PEOPLE WHO USE WHATEVER OTHER PROGRAMS IF I DONT BECAUSE I ****ING DONT AND IF YOU CANT TELL WHO IS OR WHO ISNT THEN HOW HOW HOW ARE YOU ENFORCING.) is cheating when it wasnt for the past however many years. great

Hi,

The limpers are the ony thing affected at this time. However Pokerstars will warn you that TN1 is no longer an allowed 3rd party software, and it may decide to take further actions, such as freezing your account.

Thanks for the response.

I also emailed Pokerstars support and indeed got this answer:

Will function stats like this on pokerstars with the new rule:

CallCB-45.1-66.5

Is the betsize

Well this sucks, I don't even use limper bets. I appreciate that you no longer support TN1 and would like as many TN1 users as possible to migrate over to TN2 but it would be very cool of you to issue a small patch to remove the banned feature.

https://youtu.be/D4t3EG8Pnco

Probably this. Seriously though, can PokerStars please reconsider the decision to ban TableNinja 1 because of a tiny single checkbox?

Mine is set to 'plus 0.00 per limper' and has been forever and I'll happily send a screenshot of the setting with an e-mail to support stating that I will not change this value.

lol

somebody mad yo

if pokersites go down teh no local HH files == no huds/tools/bots they also need to ensure they make commensurate efficient P/L reporting tools / reports available for their users.

Tax reporting issues for players have been discussed ad nauseam in this forum and in others

+1

Such a fluid software compared to TN2.

+2, i was only using tn1 for a few features that still worked like bet sizing, bb amount, never used the 1bb per limper feature. Would suck to have to upgrade to tn2 just a few features.

I am using Starshelper version 1.1.3.6, is this version in-line with these new changes?

yes