I'm really sick of hearing this counter argument to a ban on HuDs. Most of the "hudbot" software using "reg" players playing 16+ tables of poker actually aren't very good at poker. They just suck less than the casual non software using recreational player. Most of them will still suck at that same rate or a similar rate while playing less tables, yet recreational players will have the opportunity to play against a higher percentage of recreational players on average in that environment.

Let's stop this insinuation that the somehow "meh" regs that make up a large percentage of the multitablers on PokerStars will then somehow become elite regs if they start playing less tables. Please, just stop it.

I'm open to various other arguments for or against HuD use but this one just really annoys me.

lol, as if the vast majority of regs (esp. those who complain about the ban of huds) actually have the skill set to "exploit the ****" out of bad players, just by reducing number of tables and being more observant.

it's quite obvious that banning hud will allow the shark/fish ratio to drastically improve because mediocre regs cannot multi table as easily as before. (even idiots like you were able to allude that hourly for winning players will go down due to this)

it's really funny how these mediocre "hud bots" preach the importance of hud for reg battles and off table work, (they only say this because it has minimal impact on the recs), and never cite anything about its impact on multi tabling and allowing to suck rec money much faster than without.

these 24 tabling, 10hr/day grinding hudbots are not exactly needed in today's poker economy, get a grip with the reality lol.

I certainly wouldn't be using this to advance any point you are trying to make considering the legal situation with online poker in the land of the not so free.

It was announced this week that stars are returning to the USA.

http://www.pressofatlanticcity.com/n...51b069664.html

+1, very well said.

guys like TR7 and definitearticle should work on their game instead of writing self serving and idiotic responses.

As said earlier in the thread, the HEM and PT guys are co-operating with Stars in order to not break the new rules. There was a HEM update rolled out a couple of days ago that will automatically disable some features, including those of Notecaddy. No one can force you to press the update button when you fire up HEM though, and I presume the "old" HUD and NC will continue to work as normal until Stars rewrites the HH format or does something clever like looking up which version of the HUD software you're running.

That was actually a serious question.

+1

Games would be amazing all round. It would even coax me out of my meh poker hiatus and not limit my play to gambling it up in dumb Sunday mtts only, I'd 100% make more time for it. Now when I fancy playing, even right now, I login and see the boring same old rubbish and decide against it. Sadly all the sites I used to play on have 0 liquidity at msnl or cap their stakes to 5/10. Stars would be pretty amazing if it was a level playing field, it could almost take it back a couple of years.

It was a serious reply.

As usual you deflect and never answer.

Well I thought the response was pretty obvious and didn't think I would have to spell it out for you but I will.

To try to use the stance of a country where online poker is banned for most of it's citizens as some sort of indicator as to whether or not the use of huds should be allowed is probably the most ridiculous argument I have seen yet for banning huds. The US are hardly progressive on such matters

And to answer the literal question - yes, PT4 HUD worked on PartyPoker NJ as far as I can tell, though of course it does not any more.

Is holdem manager and downloading of hand histories allowed on stars?

yes

Downloading from where?

Not hands you didn't play in downloaded from the internet.

Except that is demonstrably NOT the case, they stay around longer, play more and lose more at the looser anon tables. They have more fun, actually book the odd win. All this was in the link that showed that players unsurprisingly lose faster in games with bigger pots at that same blibd level.

Irrelevant as Pokerstars announced they would first warn everyone that SpinWiz was banned. And they have emailed all users I believe. Then after a grace period for all to comply the prohibited list will be updated and offending players will be banned.

+1

Wait, let me get one thing straight. We're only allowed to color code players up to only 3 colors? Is that correct?

What colour coding are you talking about?

[1] PokerStars Colour Codes System in their software:
You can use as many different colours as you like to distinguish player types etc. These colours don't change if the player starts to play differently.

[2] HM2/PT4/Other tracking software:
For any stat in the hud you can only assign a maximum of 3 colours to distinguish ranges of player behaviour - these colours change in the stat as the player behaviour changes

EXAMPLE:You might set this up
VPIP < 15 = tight = Blue
VPIP 15 to 25 = normal = white
VPIP 25 to 35 = loose = Orange
VPIP > 35 = maniac = Red
PokerStars are saying you can no longer use 4 colours for that stat - you have to bring it down to 1, 2 or 3 colours, but not 4 or more

HUDs still work in NJ....

they won't on party software soon assuming all skins adopt the new party software rules/changes recently announced

well yea, but this isnt happening anytime soon. Party rep said theres no timeline for these changes in NJ and they are notoriously slow on making any updates here. Id be shocked if this happened in less than a year.

I don't follow the NJ discussions close enough to know that so I will defer to you on that since you are playing there.

What were going to have is a situation where everyone uses the old versions of PT4 and HM2 to keep the old stats and colours used in their HUD's. Also why have PT4 + HM2 taken away previous colour and stats for HUD when using rooms other than Stars. I don't see why they can't prevent certain stats when just on stars, like they do when limiting HH's when observing a table.