That's their marketing angle but what it is essentially saying is that they don't have the processing power (Ability?) to develop the ream of stats that HEM/PT have available to their customers. Stats so powerful that Pokerstars are now leaning in the direction of limiting their power (They haven't done so yet though and I still doubt they will).

I paid $69.99 or something like that for my HUD (It now lies unused gather dust but that is nothing to do with the software or what it can do more my mental deficiencies in every walk of life) about 4 years ago. For a much larger, better programme, I have paid a lot less per month than the $5.99 a month that Jivaro are going to be sticking the elbow into people for.

I mean Jivaro are clever, they've marketed things well, and they have got most of the top streamers using their product even if one of them still uses PT4 in addition to it because it doesn't carry enough stats.

I don't see how they can justify that price for what they are selling.

Client keeps crashing. "doesnt respond" My pc is topnotch. Everything works perfectly. Tried installing with vscanner of.

just have to say I love this comment from PS Kieth with regards to PS removing the 'mobile' icon...

of course no 3rd party does this BETTER than the mobile icon did....

You can see the limitation of this hud from the picture. It uses the same "footprint" as Pokerstars so the top two lines will be small when multitabling. And there are only three stats shown at a time. It looks like you can't have vpip/pfr/afq and 3b,f3b and st shown at the same time. I like to see st from co, btn and sb shown separately anyway. I think it's back to the drawing board for Jivaro.

I'm not sure if someone already mentioned this. But i have never understood the reasoning to show mucked hole cards in the handhistories. It's not the case in live poker and it makes no sense. The swedish site svenskaspel doesn't show mucked cards and that protects rec players in a healthy way, it also increase the amount of table talk, which also makes the experience more pleasant for fun players. And it also reducing the value of data mining.

Also make it more difficult for people to spot possible soft play/collusion imo.

There is a rule in live poker (at least at every place I've played at, which admittedly isn't many) where any player that was dealt into a hand may ask the dealer to reveal another players hand if it is still live at the showdown. This is likely just PS' way of enabling this rule.

That's correct. In most live poker rooms you can ask the dealer to turn over mucked cards if you suspect foul play, so this is the online equivalent of that.

As for data mining, only players dealt into the hand see the information, and it only happens in showdown scenarios, so the volume of information that can be gathered is rather slim.

Beat me to it!

You're getting slow Keith, gotta pick up your game

Has there been a decision yet ?

PokerStars Steve announced a decision about a month ago, which can be read here:

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...postcount=2075

Thank you Keith

"After thorough consideration of the input here and a lengthy internal discussion, we’ve decided to move forward in principle with the changes proposed in the OP."

"move forward in principle" isn't very specific. Can we have something a bit clearer please ?

I think you mentioned in your latest post that you were going to implement this "new" change effective immediately yet you needed to iron out the wording on it. I just looked over the "terms and conditions" and I fail to see any change to it. Maybe I'm missing it somewhere though.

Also, any update on the additional changes you are planning and what sort of time frame we should expect for some of those additional changes to go into effect?

Such an important issue and your most recent post is rather vague. Considering the time frame, going on almost three months now, I'd expect you'd have a clearer picture by now. Update, please.

Earlier in the thread I pointed out that the examples were being read as limiting the scope of the rule rather than being read as simple examples. When a law says "It's illegal to kill people, for example shooting them." the example doesn't mean that knifing people is ok.

If the rule was really intended to be that narrow they would just skip the first part of the sentence and say "Stack-size-based starting hand tables, decision trees or heads-up displays that dynamically change based on player action or card values are hereby banned".

I assume that's part of what they were talking about with needing to tweak the wording.

If you say Notecaddy will bring out a compliant version once the rules are clarified I'm sure that's correct.

As for myself, this process is running much too slowly and I have moved most of my action to Unibet.

100 % support - thx

have there been official updates/changes to the rules/TOS? because I got linked some PDF that would suggest so, but this^ was the last i heard itt.

+1, pdf file circulating around!

stars **** every soft but basic huds, incl table scanner,s advanced hud stats atetccetc oh and **** zoom

I wonder how they plan to enforce that. If advanced HUDs which have badges and graphs are going to be considered illegal, don't you think people will have their own, not so widely known commercial software?

I think it's a terrible decision by stars if they do follow through with that. I'm not just saying that because it would hurt my business (although surely it will). If I was not from USA and was playing at Stars, I'd surely be moving to a different site where at least I can feel like I have more of a level playing field.

I guess we'll see how it plays out. Maybe it will be better for the long run of poker if they can actually enforce these rules. It'd be in the back of my mind that I'm playing against some people who are using more advanced software than I'd be allowed to though.

Can someone link me to the PDF in private?

or in public.

I would love to see it, and it's provenance, before my my meeting with the UKGC on third party software and other (mostly cheating) issues.

they are taking out badges and graphs only or notecaddy altogether?

I just was linked to this: https://www.pokerstars.uk/assets/com...ence-guide.pdf

I know not if it is the PDF talked about itt, or if it is entirely legit - but being on the official domain suggests it probably is. You may need to edit the URL if Stars redirects you to your regions local homepage (fix this, ffs!)