The point is that it's very possible to memorize all those preflop charts. That fact alone makes it completely impossible to detect breaking new rules with statistical analysis or anything else tbh unless you install a webcam or something in players' apartments.

So the smallest and least enforceable thing was banned while more powerful, easier to detect and prevent and having more impact on the game tools are untouched.

I don't like it, it seems like pandering to wishes of the vocal established group with little regards to the logic of the situation.

Nobody is putting their charts into a drawer today but a few honest players will not sleep that well.

nvm

+1

Translation of Pokerstars statement:

After not reading, not understanding, not analysing, not making any attempt to understand ...

Pokerstars has decided to do what they were always going to do anyway.

And despite the changes proposed in the OP being ambiguous and vague...


Owing to OP being meaninglessly vague Pokerstars will endeavour to make it more so before finalising...

Pokerstars is understandably unsure how to detect and enforce violations of the vague OP that can be easily be circumvented by running a second machine!

In the interests of appearing balanced Pokerstars intends to pick on someone other than Skier but we are not sure who to bully yet. But numerous software developers have contacted us to say, "WTF, you guys are idiots who understand nothing!"

In Pokerstars naive world, Skier's software is the root of all evil so obviously must be banned.

Pokerstars had no idea there was anything wrong with Skier's software and hence approved it. Then all the cartels complained so we have banned it but we still don't know what we are doing.

Pokerstars admits they have no idea that what Skier has done is little different to what all the pros in HUSNGs are doing by other means.

POkerstars is naïve enough to think a second machine can be somehow stopped.

Blah, blah, blah. Pokerstars intends to do nothing more than ban Skier's software. Please all go away and stop bothering us.

Snowball's chance in hell is greater than zero...

that within the next year or two you will have forgotten about all this...

Everyone move along, nothing to see here...

Pokerstars intends to do nothing about third party software... especially universal data mining, timewasting, collusive seating scripts, HEM2/PT4 functionality (which violate the vague OP no less than NC).

Any requests you send to Pokerstars support will receive the standard reply:

Relative to 100BB poker, 10BB poker is trivial post-flop. Short stack-to-pot ratio polarises and forces most decisions. GTORB has a lot of flop scenarios dealing with 25BB stacks. HUSNG.com has a GTO pack based on GTORB.

In other words, if not solved now, watch this space! In the one to two year timeframe Steve of Pokerstars is giving themselves, HT HUSNG should be effectively solved and automated for both pre-and-post-flop.

Yup, no one should be able to change their mind in 3 years.

Except for the collusive comment, +1

PokerStars is a joke . I am a programmer. To write a program , which sends the hand history from one computer to another computer instant is very easily . There are only a few hours needed . How does will pokerstars check? I would not do something like that . But it is possible.... With this decision, the cheater can cheat further and the normal player get disadvantages....

Actually, you don't need any kind of program. Just use cloud file services like dropbox.

Or local file sharing that's already built into most modern OS.

But this is not automatic.... i think?

+1

Yeah, that would be so much worse than current state where even non programmers can cheat easily, wouldn't it?
In addition, to write such programs is very easy only because of current open PS client architecture, them basically providing a cheating and botting API. A well locked down client, combined with a well maintained anti cheat system like valve will force cheaters to use screen scraping for game data acquisition, because you will risk detection of PS client or client modifications.

In other words:
Current state:
I want to play charts, cheat, bot - ok just hook into NC, HEM or any other tool that is allowed. Want to automate pre flop play? trivial. Send game state to other computer? - trivial.

(hopefully) future state:
I want to cheat.... ok i better start screen scraping and deal with all the trouble that comes with it. Botting would become especially hard.

Main argument against software tool restrictions i see itt is that it would give cheaters even more advantage. But look at it form REC perspective who is not using any advanced software aid - they will profit a lot because their current disadvantage against augmented players will decrease while disadvantage against cheaters will stay the same.

i dont understand your argument, you say with the current state non-programmer cheating? NC is for all. With NC or other tools you can reduce the disadvatanges against ilegal cheater/programmer. Now Pokerstars declined it and all NC user get a very big disadvantage....

To the catching of cheating: I am java programmer and i dont think that the pokerstars client can get in to my .jar file ......it is impossible...for example.

Very automatic . You just choose in ps client to save your hand histories into your dropbox folder and thats all. Hh files will appear on both computers.

Actually you don't even need dropbox. Just share your folder in the local network.

With current state it is trivial to cheat, even for a non technically skilled person. So it should be made harder - wich is only possible with locked down PS client.

If your argument is that tools like HUDs and NC are necessary so we don't get crushed by cheaters and bots, than such tools should be build in in PS to guarantee a fair gaming environment. Free, or as in app purchase in closed ecosystem PS-Appstore, idc.

And good luck with your .jar file vs secure client and vac-system

Shocking that the unbiased person that understands this situation equal to or better than anyone else agrees.

don't understand what all the raving is about in some cases. NOTHING changed!? yet at least.
To me it reads like:
If maybe in the future could should might want to... if possible.

Like a fat person saying I only drink diet cola or a smoker getting light cigarettes, so I'm good

U don't say 10bb poker is easier than 100bb... And we are just talking about 10bb. Husngs are anything below 25bb, and the play changes drastically from stacksize to stacksize.

<25bb poker is already close to solved as far as a human playing vs a computer if that's what you want to know. If there was a <25bb hu challenge tomorrow a la claudico, humans wouldn't stand a chance.

But human vs human play there is a LOT of edge, and most of it has nothing to do with preflop. THAT was my point. Banning these charts won't make a huge difference to the skier group, and will only encourage cheaters.

This is good news. For the health of the game I feel it's imperative that third-party software is heavily restricted. Give me a time-bank and a bottle to piss in and I can happily grind all day.

Pee bottles should be built into the client so the site can keep taking the piss out of its customers.

This is imperative. I once used my water glass and guess what happened a few hours later when I was really thirsty?

Seems like a solid response, hopefully they fulfill the implications of their post. This is roughly the best response the anti-hud crowd could reasonably expect.

haha yeah this is a pretty solid translation.

yup