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Originally Posted by watergun7
For spinwiz- orginally staking groups/friends would avoid each other by saying "in games" or something after regging. This is completely within the rules until a staking group developed some software to make it smoother for themselves. Eventually other ppl thought it was a good idea as well and it was expanded for general use for everyone. All spinwiz does is to make this process easier.
Except the SpinWiz developers conveniently "forgot" the game integrity protection that a staking group should only know about its own members. Players should not know about the strength (reg or recreational) of players they have not
personally played against.
You keep making the logic error of assuming that if something is legal for a few it must be legal for many while conveniently relaxing/violating the key assumption (personal knowledge or same staking group) that made it legal for the few.
SpinWiz should have a mechanism of isolating distinct staking groups (don't sit due to collusive conflict of interest) each from all other staking groups and isolated from individuals not proven known by personal playing experience to other individuals. Then a mechanism for ensuring added (both non-sit or pls-sit users) to a given individual's lists only happens based on personal player history.
Secondly, Spinwiz's logic should differentiate between these two distinct non-sit reasons: non-sits due to same staking group should always ideally
never allow a common sit (to avoid collusion temptation at all costs) where as a non-sit based on player personal preference may be a mandatory non-sit but may alternatively/optionally be agreed to be a sometimes sit (to get more play due to faster registration). Members within the same staking group should never get the maybe-sit option no matter how much it slows their registration.
Blanket access to names of all regs (all SpinWiz users) is a clear sharing of information not knowable without personal play and hence a violation of Pokerstars game integrity.
Technically, in SpinWiz perhaps each staking group would have to be defined by the backer not the stakee members of the staking group. The backer would define the userids of his stable and SpinWiz would then ensure they never sit together. This list definition and alteration could be changed only by the backer who may or may not be part of the stable list (perhaps he doesn't play Spin&Go's). The stakees would not be allowed to alter this list and the stakees would not be able to request a maybe sit or a sit on any member of the staking group.
Technically each individual user would personally define their sit and non-sit lists (starting with a blank list) by reference solely to their own personal playing experience but no individual would ever be able to see the names of any other SpinWiz users.
WDYT?
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People later complained that this meant that bumhunters could buy the program and play higher stakes than they would normally be able to. Thus overwhelming majority of ppl want to have the "target other regs" feature.
Targeting other regs seems fine as long as it is based on provable personal playing experience not on collusive ganging up because some division boss said so or by simply reading a list of all SpinWiz users or by any other means than personal playing experience.
Last edited by TimTamBiscuit; 06-24-2015 at 12:36 PM.