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Originally Posted by pies01
As for collusion in poker, sure it happens, I was just making the point that it has nothing especially to do with divisions and cartels in HUSNGs.
Pokerstars should be concerned not only with making sure there is no collusion in their poker but also no
appearance of collusion. The HUSNG cartels reek of the appearance of collusion to any recs who learn of their existence. This is because in analogous group social behaviour such as politics and business and good old history of humankind wherever there is group behaviour there is an incentive for subgroups to employ all means necessary to overthrow the hierarchy.
In other words, there is obviously a strong incentive for subgroups (coaching/staking/peers) within divisions to become close associates via Skype, via real world not just to jointly coach and improve their skill but by all means necessary (database sharing, data mining, collusion in SpinNGos) so that they are not kicked out of the division for poor results. The division "owns" access to recs. This is *obviously* a powerful incentive for weaker regs/bumhunters to collude else they are forced down.
Without divisions/cartels players are more likely to stay individual poker players with less contact with others and less incentive to collude. In 6-max and FR cash games where there are no divisions (as far as I know) players in non-Zoom compete on the speed of their seating script but they don't collusively have a group script that collusively avoids competition. Bumhunters with extremely fast scripts get to play the stakes of their choice.
I sense (wrongly perhaps) that Pokerstars deliberately created SpinNGo's with a blind queue to suck all the recs in and away from HUSNG's to try to rid themselves of the bullying cartels that have bullied PS into continuing to allow them against PS unspoken best desires for best appearance of integrity. But SpinNGos blind queueing is being similarly subverted by SpinWiz-like tools.
BTW, technically, why can't Pokerstars block registration software for SpinNgo's and enforce a blind queue for all? Isn't this similar to blocking cheats in other PC games? That is, don't they only need to code so an AHK script can't electronically press Register, forcing Register to be manually pressed? Or does SpinWiz access software handles directly (in which case there are many technical ways to encrypt etc and block access)?
My biggest concern with SpinNGos is the
appearance of collusion by 2 "friends" sitting collusively on a third rec and this collusion enabled by any non-PS queueing such as SpinWiz. For example, there is nothing to stop someone from writing private software with functions similar to SpinWiz to increase the chances of 2 friends being sat together at the same spinngo and then sharing hole cards to collude to win. They don't need to softplay each other, they just need to beat out the third registrant and then battle it out and share profits. SpinWiz' random first place prize incentivizes this: every man for himself if random prize is 2x but collude and share profits if random prize is bigger than 2x.
The only way to stop this appearance of enabling collusion is for PokerStars to software enforce the blind queue.