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Originally Posted by watergun7
The things to do with sharing databases/datamining have **** all to do with cartels. It's a separate, and more dangerous/prevalent issue within all of poker.
LOL, I think you need to work on your game theory.
Now clearly this is more complex than the prisoner's dilemma
https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Prisoner%27s_dilemma but are you really sure that the sitlist group does not include data cheats preying on the cartel members via shared data, that the cartel does not have an inner cabal using datasharing/mining to combat the sitlist, that nobody inside the cartel is working with their stable on the sitlist vs the "weaker" regs in the cartel? That a group within the cartel is not data sharng to help guarantee their position in the cartel, oh yes and to make money?
You have set up a game theory problem where the participants are actively helped to communicate with each other in a broad conspiracy to benefit the insiders to the detriment of the outsiders, a group made up of people with special expertise in the power of illegal data to earn them money and you seriously think that......
oh no, all the cartel members are angels, all the sitlist applicants are saints, none of them will use the same inner conspiracy tactics to screw over the rest?
Remember, you have linked the group via a shared list of participants, regular skype and IM contact between them - you have regular contact between the participants, you have ongoing personal and professional controversies with others in the group at your level and in the groups above and below your level, with the applicants, the only thing throwing you together is that grinding HU is what you do for a living.
You also have setup a system where nobody tries to stop you and if you do need to indulge in some datasharing to prove which crowd you are in the default is to ask PokerStars (who are close to co-conspirators) for a clean database. Hmm what a convenient coincidence.
Your financial interest is to screw everyone else in this network, except potentially your inner cabal of allies and the whole creation is based upon teamwork to screw over "outsiders", a lesson easily applicable inside the cartel and vs the cartel.
Now, applying game theory - what on earth makes you think that the prisoners (allowed to communicate) all work in your personal interest and never resort to an easy, undetectable cheat strategy....that the rules of the club make absolutely explicit how to circumvent (well we prefer a nice clean new fresh database from Stars, that whole risk that the scumbag we are vetting might manipulate the data is too much, new and clean and trusted is better.....ooops you mean my stable get to hide our data sharing, oh well never mind, we can trust the new clean file from Stars) rues apply.
Can you not see that the whole scam is st up to maximise the benefit not of the whole cartel but the "leaders" of the cartel - can you seriously with all your poker and game theory experience not see that the whole sham is a dishonest bit of thievery? With the sharky operator getting a chunk, Stars ex managers giggling "well when we sold it the revenues were fine, we never made a dodgy compromise with cheaters to kepp the revenue number up until we could bank a few millions, oh no not us, the pre Amaya owners are heroes of online poker........"
Seriously, when the school bully came up to you and punched you in the face (or you did it to some dweeb outsider) did you not see the punch coming (going)?
Cartels ahave nothing to do with data mining or dtat sharing or using Stars to let people clean up their test paper.....yeah right sure...anyway I have this great bridge to sell you....