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Originally Posted by devera
All I was saying is that strong players don't base their decision on these kind of supertools, since their understanding on the game is built "offline", while studying their game and their opp's game. I really don't think I'm stretching it here. In fact, most of the NC advocates say exactly that - "NC is not that powerful actually in making in-game decisions". So what side are you on, actually? Cause now you really baffle me
Devera, you and I have generally been on similar ground in this debate but here you have got it wrong.
The reason why Stars have opened up this debate is precisely because "strong players" in the limited game of HUSNGs, the cartel members subscribing to population trends via a data mining/data sharing site BTW have found themselves outclassed by Skier_5 and pretty much anyone else he has let have access to his entirely "legal" software.
It turns out that an entire cartel, using a specialised HUD and data mined/shared info has been completely defeated by Skier, his tool and his mates. Now they have cried foul.
For that limited game it is absolutely proven that the strongest players in the pool are those who
base their decision on these kind of supertools. That's the point, a walking talking gum chewing Heads Up player that was being destroyed by the cartel is now
bas[ing] their decision on these kind of supertools is crushing. This is down to a lot of hard work of the table by Skier_5 but he has proven (possibly a mistake) that the tool can transform the play of others too - using the hard work and expertise of Skier.
Now - HU is the canary in the mine, it is exactly where it should show up clearest, first but there is nothing that caps this phenomenom to HU - it turns out that static advice can be enough to chew gum and crush whilst relying on another's work. That is the whole point of the proposed rule change.
Just as seat grabbers are a killer in HU today and go under the radar elsewhere HU is just where we see it, where it happens first but more where it is most obvious. The NC and routine data mining is doing the same less clearly in 6 max and weaker still for tournaments, full ring, mixed games and likely bottom of the pile mixed game tournies .....the more complex the game, the more changes in game format the more that playing a tournament stack alters how best to play in a given hand (adds complexity for the s/w guys and kills sample sizes) the safer you are.
We have a point where one tool has killed a poker format (if it is allowed), in a place where a cartel has a loud voice to moan as they make money and hit their VIP targets without this newly discovered "unfair" thing.
Today, nobody with sense (and full information) will play HUSNGs for proper money without Skier's software, well maybe if their hope exceeds their sense - but that is only because HU makes this clear, the same issue is elsewhere too but the canary just looks a bit sleepy rather than lying dead at the bottom of the cage.
Today, for HUSNGs at serious stakes the supertool beats the reg. Proven, that is why we have this thread. Tomorrow? Well maybe if nowt is done we will get a clear proof for other games but actually what we have is an insidious decline where you can't quite PROVE its s/w but deep in your heart either as an advocate for it (I use it/I sell it) or (Ihate it/I am a rigtard inventing unfairness to avoid the fact that I am a useless human being) you know it's killing the game, that these "supertools" are already raping players in oter games - it's just we are not a SNE dominated cartel hoist on their own petard.