Here´s my 2cc on the topic...
I think we´re mixing several things here, feel like HUDs are the least important issue on this matter and it has take the most discussion time on this thread, i think other 3rd party programs used while playing has to take a lot more discussion time than whether or not HUDs are bad/unfair for the game, programs like NoteCaddy, Seating Scripts, dynamic HUDs, Heat Maps, real time equity calculations, etc.
Quote:
Banning HUDs will allow poker strengths to prevail more than players ability to dissect a HUD to prevail. Players who aren't familiar or computer savvy enough to maximize their HUD are at a distinct disadvantage before the cards are even dealt.
Personally i do believe HUDs are an unfair advantages for those who are able to extract the most value out of it vs someone that even having one cant read beyond a VPIP/PFR/3bet stat HUD but i also believe those that do extract the most out of a HUD will still be able to exploit those who even using a HUD dont know how to get as much value out of it, winning poker players will ALWAYS be winners regardless of the use of a HUD or not vs those who just cant keep themselves ahead of the curve. But again, is it also unfair that whenver im off the tables working on my game the fact that i use CardrunnersEV, Flopzilla, ICMIzer, ProPokerTools, Universal Replayer, Equilab and/or every single piece of hand analysis software out there to study in depth every hand and post notes on villains it wrong/cheating (Cuz on PokerStars you can write notes even when your NOT seating at the tables)?
According to a study made by Microgaming on which they compare regulare cash game tables (Where HUDs are allowed) vs Anonymous table (Where the use of a HUD its unpractical and stupid) and after 175 million hands they came up with these conclusions...
(Source:
http://www.thempn.eu/blog/world-without-huds/)
1. In games with HUDs, there is less action. Players bet less, and when they do bet, the bets are smaller. Pots are smaller as a result.
2. In games with HUDs, players multi-table more.
3. In games with HUDs, winners win less, because pots are smaller.
4. In games with HUDs, losers lose less, also because pots are smaller.
5. In games with HUDs, winners pay more rake per Euro they win (but less per hand, because pots are smaller).
6. In games with HUDs, variance is lower, and poor players are more consistent losers as a result.
Quote:
"...the data suggests that HUDs make the game tighter, less fun, and make everybody win and lose more slowly..."
For me personally i believe banning HUDs are bad for the poker ecosystem, bad players would play less tables, traffic will suffer big time, there would be a hell lot less money moving across the tables, PokerStars would be forced to lower the benefits on their VIP program, etc., in general recreationals and fishes alike dont care about others using HUDs, they will still get exploited either way by the good/winning players, if anything (as the Microgamign study suggested) winning players will win less on average because pots are smaller on average.
Cliffnotes..
* HUDs are OK & BOTs are NOT
* NoteCaddy, Seating Scripts, dynamic HUDs, Heat Maps, real time equity calculations, etc. are DEF NOT OK
Last edited by onlinepokerwiz; 06-16-2015 at 10:54 AM.