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Originally Posted by Husker
I think, and I could be wrong, but based on my own experience it will make no difference to the rate recs lose at if NC is banned. Although fish come in a few different varieties it is fairly easy to work out how to exploit them and you really only need a few hud stats for this. NC is used against other regs you are battling with on a regular basis who will usually have a reasonably decent game who's leaks aren't as obvious.
I totally agree, i already explained that on a previous post (but since most of the anti-HUDs / anti-NC activists on this thread are obvious RECs, they don't understand how poker works).
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Originally Posted by KDash
Concerning notecaddy:
1) I am surprised that almost nobody stated this from all what I read (30 pages of this thread). But the main argument of the ones who want to see notecaddy banned, is that this will bring more recreational players and therefore it is good for the economy of poker. This argument is FALSE.
What notecaddy does, is that it allows you to build some custom stats of your own. The main stats you need in a poker game are already provided by default by HEM and PT4 (and HUDs in general). Allowing you to build custom stat only allows you to build stats for some very specific spots which are not covered by the basic HEM and PT4’s stats. But the thing about these spots, is that they don’t happen very often. And therefore, FOR NOTECADDY TO BE USEFULL, YOU NEED A BIG SAMPLE ON YOUR OPPONENT.
Then, what is the definition of a recreational player? It is someone who don’t play very often, therefore it is someone you will never have any big sample on. Therefore, NOTECADDY DOESN’T HELP YOU WHATSOEVER AGAINST RECREATIONNAL PLAYERS. The only stats you are going to have on RECs are going to be VPIP/PFR/3B/CB and that’s it, and honestly you don’t need more to play against them. And to be honest, you don’t even need that to play them, because you can see them just by looking at their stack size, their avatar, the fact that they post a blind when they sit, the fact that they limp, the fact that they have a cell-phone icon, their bet sizes, their timing tells, and the possibility to color code them as soon as you see one of those things. All these small things are more than enough to identify a REC and start targeting him at the table.
Banning notecaddy won’t change the poker experience of the RECs by any mean, and won’t change their winrates. The ones in this thread stating that banning notecaddy would help RECs (without any argumentation) clearly have no clue on the matter, and sound a lot like RECs who believe in santa and think that the only way for them to get saved from their laziness would be for PS to go ahead and fleece the players who worked hard to master notecaddy, and that if such a thing happened they would turn into winning players overnight without having to provide any effort or any kind of commitment to the game.
2) What I just said is also true against regs at low limit stakes. For the simple reason that at NL100 and below, the field is just too wide in order to get a sufficient sample even on regs and to be able to start using notecaddy properly. THEREFORE, THE ONLY AREA WHERE NOTECADDY HAS AN IMPACT, IS IN THE NL200+ REG BATTLES. And honestly, I am pretty sure that most of them are using it already. So I really don’t see how notecaddy is a problem. And I really don’t understand why all of a sudden PS feels the need to come along and interfere in reg on reg battles.
3) Notecaddy is not a no skill plug and play software such as a seating script can be. It takes hundreds of hours to learn how to properly use it, especially if you want to build customs stats of your own. And even if you prefer paying and playing with a premium HUD built by somebody else, it still requires a lot of time, efforts and talent to learn how to properly use these kind of HUDs.
4) So now, what is going to happen if PS bans notecaddy? Will the NL200+ regs who are using it just throw out of the window the hundreds of hours they already spent trying to master it? Or will they just find another poker room which allows it? To me, the answer is pretty simple. Yes, pokerstar’s software is nice and I like playing on it, but if for no reason they start saying that the hundreds of hours I invested in a fully legal software are now worth nothing, then I will just go play somewhere else. So, if PS doesn’t care about loosing most of their supernova+ player pool for no reason and no potential gain, they should just go ahead and do it.
To TrustySam, in your scenarios, PS' winrate doesn't change (it's yet to be prooved but let's say your are right). What you don't say is that, if PS takes measures to destroy the winrate, already low, of their regs (average of 2bb/100...), then the trafic of the platform is going to drop down a lot. So even if PS keeps the same winrate, they are going to loose a lot of money.
And also, lol to that :
"Possible Scenario 4 - Really Big Change
Average Regular Winrate: -10bb/100
Average Recreational Winrate: 1bb/100
PokerStars Rake: 6bb/100"
You need to explain me how a REC could possibly have a winrate of 11bb/100 superior to a reg. It's pretty much the same as saying that a soccer team of random players you picked on the street are going to beat FC Barcelone 11-0...
