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02-16-2018 , 01:13 AM
I'm sure in practice the most likely scenario is that they keep the money. I'm basically neutral here as to whether he should get to keep his money or not based on his crime, but if he is just allowed to keep everything, what kind of incentives does that create for banned players in the future? So I'd say the site should keep it (redistribute in a perfect world) for that reason alone.
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02-16-2018 , 02:39 AM
if a player commit a crime on that site he should get all his funds confiscated and not only their winnings. Because this is the only way to make sure banned players dont try to infiltrate on poker site again.

if he gets allowed to get everything in that case that means that he did not commit a crime, and/or, there was a mistake from BOL.
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02-16-2018 , 03:03 AM
You guys this is so unfair!!! He is owed 37,000! That is a lot of money. Why can’t people just boycott the site until he gets his money back??!! Why are people insisting on him providing a SN (which he has exactly zero incentive to hide at this point- privacy lol) which may possibly help his case??? Just do what it takes (for free) to get him his money back, instead of giving a detailed explanation to him (like Monteroy) as to why withholding his SN and other relevant details on a brand new 2p2 account will not bring the cavalry!!!

He came here for help not to be judged!! He has clearly stated he didn’t grim, bot, multi account, or otherwise cheat. All you have to do is read his posts to see that!!! And wtf is this affiliate thing? He’s just a high stakes poker player w 37 buyins for the highest stake on the site; how can u guys expect him to know what an affiliate is?? He doesn’t always understand English and when he does, the word ‘affiliate’ is not used!! Geez I expected more from a bunch of fellow poker players!!!

I’m gonna take Belarus at +180 for a unit and hedge w Romania at+700 for half a unit.
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02-16-2018 , 04:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Hoopster81
What happened here is, around 6 months ago, OP was told by Tigergaming that he was no longer welcome to play on the site and given the "catering to rec player" reason. This means OP was simply winning too much, bumhunting too hard, or some combination of the two. It is unclear what criteria they use because there are both huge winners and huge bumhunters I have played with for a long time on here.

A couple years ago, Merge banned a bunch of the biggest winners (myself included) and gave the same reason a la catering to a recreational environment. I have not played there since.

OP decided to give it a shot, spoke to some low level security person who probably did not understand the situation whatsoever, and was later caught. If it were me, I would give OP his deposit back and redistribute the winnings.

Normally catering to rec reason does not include a confiscation of funds does it? I'm sure he violated a rule for them to keep the funds.

Let me get $100 on Russian Federation at 2/1 and also $100 on Eastern Bloc for 20/1

Last edited by xBIGx; 02-16-2018 at 04:26 AM.
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02-16-2018 , 04:24 AM
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Originally Posted by TwitchySeal
I'm not super familiar with Betonline, and I know were speaking in hypotheticals here but do we really think they would put the effort into redistributing it to everyone he won it from?
There was a thread a while back where it was discussed that BOL has a policy of seizing funds tied to an account that they have banned (for doing something wrong, not for excessive winning), EVEN IF those funds have already been won by other players. It simply sends an email informing you that money you'd won from that player has been deducted from your account (or, I guess, money you lost has been credited).

So yes, it would seem they should have an obligation to actually redistribute the funds to players.
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02-16-2018 , 04:27 AM
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Originally Posted by xBIGx
Normally catering to rec reason does not include a confiscation of funds does it? I'm sure he violated a rule for them to keep the funds.
You need to read through the thread more closely.
It appears the rule he violated was creating the second account.
Also, it has not been confirmed that his funds were confiscated, last we heard his account is under review. I would say it's highly unlikely they end up confiscating his funds (given he at least has some email/correspondence with a CS rep of theirs stating he can make a new acc). That is, unless he was engaged in otherwise nefarious behavior.
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02-16-2018 , 04:33 AM
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Originally Posted by RalphWaldoEmerson
You need to read through the thread more closely.
It appears the rule he violated was creating the second account.
Also, it has not been confirmed that his funds were confiscated, last we heard his account is under review. I would say it's highly unlikely they end up confiscating his funds (given he at least has some email/correspondence with a CS rep of theirs stating he can make a new acc). That is, unless he was engaged in otherwise nefarious behavior.
I have a sportsbetting.ag account and also a betonline.ag account.. no ban here..
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02-16-2018 , 05:56 AM
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Originally Posted by SanchoHH
This sounds vaguely familiar.

Wasn't there a poster recently who was told by a site (with similar language) to stop bumhunting, and when he continued to bumhunt, was barred from the site?

I don't remember which site or network that was though.
It was me and you got it all wrong
I DID NOT CONTINUE TO BUMHUNT and they still took my money.

@OP:
So many things do not add up here.
Why wouldn't you reveal your screenname or both of your screennames?
10/20 never runs, so you would have to be a solid winner at 1k to win that much money. How can you beat NL1k in todays environment and now know what an affiliate is?
You seem to be from eastern Europe, which in my experience makes it so much more likely you did something wrong.
If you won't provide suffiecent information I will be pretty sure that you did in fact do something wrong and decided to try to fool us.
This hurts me especially, since people like you are the reason many people take people like me who actually got money stolen not seriously, since in 95% of cases it's bull****. I am pretty sure many people didn't even bother to click my thread (hell, I don't know if I would've.)
Given the 1% chance you are legit disregard all I said and I hope you get your money back.
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02-16-2018 , 05:57 AM
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Originally Posted by xBIGx
I have a sportsbetting.ag account and also a betonline.ag account.. no ban here..
Did you try to cash out yet?
Sites usually don't check **** until someone tries to cash out for their first time.
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02-16-2018 , 09:52 AM
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Originally Posted by NINzent
Did you try to cash out yet?
Sites usually don't check **** until someone tries to cash out for their first time.
It's been about 4-6 years... I've cashed out a bunch on both.. I don't use the SB account anymore really.. BOL has much better visuals and promotions..
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02-16-2018 , 10:11 AM
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Originally Posted by xBIGx
I have a sportsbetting.ag account and also a betonline.ag account.. no ban here..
They may allow multiple accounts (one per skin) on the network. What the previous poster is saying is that if someone is banned on one skin, and told not to return to the network (any skin on that network), told that if that someone does return and is caught that the account will be closed & all funds seized, and then that someone did return and was caught, then account was closed & all funds were seized
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02-16-2018 , 10:25 AM
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Originally Posted by Bobo Fett
Also OP, no, we're not deleting your thread.
all the posts before this were just the trailer. nice.


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There was a thread a while back where it was discussed that BOL has a policy of seizing funds tied to an account that they have banned (for doing something wrong, not for excessive winning), EVEN IF those funds have already been won by other players. It simply sends an email informing you that money you'd won from that player has been deducted from your account (or, I guess, money you lost has been credited).
I'm 100% sure if that happens you don't even get your rake back. Nice way to print money.
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02-16-2018 , 10:55 AM
From Terms and Conditions : "Clients shall not open more than one client account per household without prior written consent from BetOnline"

Last edited by jose69bengala; 02-16-2018 at 11:12 AM.
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02-16-2018 , 11:04 AM
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Originally Posted by pmarrsouth
They may allow multiple accounts (one per skin) on the network. What the previous poster is saying is that if someone is banned on one skin, and told not to return to the network (any skin on that network), told that if that someone does return and is caught that the account will be closed & all funds seized, and then that someone did return and was caught, then account was closed & all funds were seized
Yes. I know.. Ive been following the thread since the start.
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02-16-2018 , 11:22 AM
I don't understand this thread any more. Cliffs are that OP definitely broke ToS and got his money seized?

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Originally Posted by Bobo Fett
Also OP, no, we're not deleting your thread.
Meaning OP requested this thread to be removed? For what reason?
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02-23-2018 , 04:27 AM
aaaaaand OP disappeared
good job BOL for banning this POS cheater
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02-23-2018 , 06:59 AM
Yeah seems like it.
Anyone noticing any reg missing that won a lot?
I don't think it was at the mid-high NL tables.
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03-15-2018 , 05:22 AM
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Originally Posted by NINzent
Yeah seems like it.
Anyone noticing any reg missing that won a lot?
I don't think it was at the mid-high NL tables.
He colluder from sit n go double up.
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03-15-2018 , 01:58 PM
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Originally Posted by joe64
He colluder from sit n go double up.
Are you sure of this? Glad he got banned and I hope they keep his money forever..
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03-15-2018 , 03:40 PM
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Originally Posted by xBIGx
Are you sure of this? Glad he got banned and I hope they keep his money forever..
here in this just is not very sure - 37K it very big for that, but may be he exaggerated. There were no other major disappearances, 1 from 3 gangs from sit n go disappeared ( they back with other names very fast, but now very careful, ahahha )) )
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03-15-2018 , 07:18 PM
he didn't mention his screen name to help his case, that much is clear.

this would have been a whole lot different had we known it.
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03-15-2018 , 07:49 PM
He couldn't play on the network anymore. He had no incentive to withhold his network nickname unless doing so would allow the regs of the games he played in to expose him as a known cheater.
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04-05-2018 , 09:08 AM
I am in talk with Joe Ingram and he told me he might make a video about my case. I send him all i have.

Every email with betonline, screen shots of the 37.000usd confiscated, evidences of me being a highstake cash player,my nickname...

Hope this can help me cleaning my image that you all have about me and make clear that betonline is not a safe site for players who want to make a living, because they will not let you play there if you crush and will confiscate your money
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04-05-2018 , 09:43 AM
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Originally Posted by smoothbox
I am in talk with Joe Ingram and he told me he might make a video about my case. I send him all i have.

Every email with betonline, screen shots of the 37.000usd confiscated, evidences of me being a highstake cash player,my nickname...

Hope this can help me cleaning my image that you all have about me and make clear that betonline is not a safe site for players who want to make a living, because they will not let you play there if you crush and will confiscate your money
What is your reason for not disclosing your name on the network here? I'm not saying it will allow you to get the money, but if your goal is to steer people away from playing there then allowing other regs who played with you to vouch for you would go a long way. Otherwise it looks like you have something to hide.

I've never heard Joey talk about playing at BetOnline any time recently. What are you hoping he can do for you? What evidence did you provide him with that you didn't post in this thread that will clear your name?
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04-05-2018 , 12:46 PM
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Originally Posted by smoothbox
I am in talk with Joe Ingram and he told me he might make a video about my case. I send him all i have.

Every email with betonline, screen shots of the 37.000usd confiscated, evidences of me being a highstake cash player,my nickname...

Hope this can help me cleaning my image that you all have about me and make clear that betonline is not a safe site for players who want to make a living, because they will not let you play there if you crush and will confiscate your money
You are a pos spreading unsubstantiated gossip on the Internet, and should be permabanned from this site imo
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