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Old 11-01-2015, 05:04 PM   #126
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Re: 2016 PokerStars VIP Club

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----scripting/bumhunting getting even worse by more players
they will reduce your ability to script/bumhunt next year..
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Old 11-01-2015, 05:05 PM   #127
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----scripting/bumhunting getting even worse by more players
Part of the announcement appeared to suggest that this would be tackled, but still....
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Old 11-01-2015, 05:07 PM   #128
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Im wondering how the 5/10+ tables are gonna be now, playing between regs will be very silly now. And games will be for the players with bigger wallets/scripts.

Seems very unfair. Ill probably have to stop playing 5/10 and higher, and probably most regs too. Thats definitely a bad news for every reg of nl600 and smaller stakes.

I remeber a time where PS sometimes anounced good news.
500 Zoom pool is going to be even more fun than it is now !!!

Seems like the only people who probably haven't really been affected at all is MTT pros. Very few earn much from the VIP program as it is, and these changes aren't really going to alter the player pool around them.
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Old 11-01-2015, 05:13 PM   #129
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greedy scumbags
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Old 11-01-2015, 05:28 PM   #130
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First they came for the affiliates, and I did not speak out, because I was not an affiliate
then they came for the SNE's, and I did not speak out, because I was not a SNE,
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Old 11-01-2015, 05:29 PM   #131
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Old 11-01-2015, 05:31 PM   #132
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they even increased the price for tickets
$215 MTT ticket – 21,500 StarsCoin

right now 215$ MTT ticket 13,500 FPP (x 1,2 conversion rate = 16,200 stars coin)

Another major rip off or am I missing something???
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Old 11-01-2015, 05:35 PM   #133
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they even increased the price for tickets
$215 MTT ticket – 21,500 StarsCoin

right now 215$ MTT ticket 13,500 FPP (x 1,2 conversion rate = 16,200 stars coin)

Another major rip off or am I missing something???
1.2 coins for every fpp.
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Old 11-01-2015, 05:38 PM   #134
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It is a shame to see adequate people from Isai's team working for Baazov and not slamming doors.

You guys were responsible for many ups of poker, now you are killing it.
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Old 11-01-2015, 05:47 PM   #135
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So, a more truthful explanation for your changes would be:

"The poker ecosystem has changed dramatically over the years. We don't think we need the high volume players any more and we believe we can tailor it to better serve us. We are taking a calculated risk but we have run simulations of several different models and we think what we have come up with will maximize our profits. We no longer adhere to the Scheinberg "Player First" model, rather we are trying to find a balance between maintaining a reasonable amount of traffic whilst at the same time reducing edges between players. It is in our interests to limit the influence that player skill has in our games and to increase the element of chance. This ensures that less money leaves via the pocket of players, rather than own."
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Old 11-01-2015, 05:47 PM   #136
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Just leaving it here to make you remember who they really are
https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/28...rules-1563827/
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Old 11-01-2015, 05:48 PM   #137
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when I started in poker, poker stars was the site to play on. they had the following

the best software,
the best vip program/rake back
the best customer support
the best profit oppertunity
the best traffic
and the most reliability.

there are very few sites that actually offer less then 30% rakeback. since the current system was paying 5.5 points per dollar and 5 in the uk is 90.9%.

if your capped at 30% then that means uk 30%*0.909=27.27% that literally is the worst rake back i can think of anywhere.

you downgraded the software to the point that every other day i have lags or crashes.
you are now amongst the worst in the industry for software reliability

the fact that games can and will be changed to be killed makes you amongst the least reliable site to target a poker career on.

and also currently the standard on stars is tougher then anywhere else.

if i want to make money from poker I would have to be manifestly retarded to pursue it on pokerstars.

I had an interesting thought can a pokerstars rep answer this one question name one single area where stars are now not amongst the worst sites in the industry.

cause i realized your now no longer the leaders in anything but i seriously struggle to see one single area where you offer anything which is even comes close to meeting the average for the industry seriously.
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Old 11-01-2015, 05:48 PM   #138
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Re: 2016 PokerStars VIP Club

Am I doing it wrong?
100 000 FPPs =120 000 coins
100 000 FPPs=1600$
120 000 coins=1200$
=400 difference + no stellar rewards + no quarterly freeroll
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Old 11-01-2015, 05:51 PM   #139
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I hope you feel embarrassed and ashamed to work for pokerstars when you type out this garbage.



lol. 2% aka 90% of the volume on your site.

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omg even TonnaMunz is pissed
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Old 11-01-2015, 05:52 PM   #140
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We are introducing these changes to move towards a more balanced long-term poker economy and to return the game back to one that rewards skill via winning at the tables rather than playing primarily for volume.
so "playing primarily for volume" is not something that takes skill, do you actually have any clue of what you've written there?
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Old 11-01-2015, 05:53 PM   #141
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Am I doing it wrong?
100 000 FPPs =120 000 coins
100 000 FPPs=1600$
120 000 coins=1200$
=400 difference + no stellar rewards + no quarterly freeroll
Yes, if you want the max. rb you need to exchange your points before the end of the year otherwise you are loosing MUCH
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Old 11-01-2015, 05:53 PM   #142
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if your capped at 30% then that means uk 30%*0.909=27.27% that literally is the worst rake back i can think of anywhere.
both 30 and 27% are higher then 888 and party. and pretty much on par with most ipoker skins now
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Old 11-01-2015, 06:09 PM   #143
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Re: 2016 PokerStars VIP Club

ROFL, PokerStars has absolutely zero respect for their customers. "Overall this will be good for the vast majority of our customers" because of a 10% bonus increase for ChromeStar! Meanwhile everything else gets nerfed, well played. #balance

ChromeStars don't withdraw any significant money (can you challenge that statement? don't think so) so in the end that buff just goes back into Stars pocket.

The lies and the greed disguised as being good for us makes me puke in my mouth.
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Old 11-01-2015, 06:09 PM   #144
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Re: 2016 PokerStars VIP Club

slightly confused as to how Gold Star and lower are apparently not losing any value, when the value of FPPs is being reduced.

Currently a UK Goldstar who pays $500 in tournament rake in a month earns 2500 vpps and gets 5k FPPs, which are worth roughly $80. In 2016 FPPs are being replaced by Star Coins with a value of 1c each, so will that same player expect to receive ~8000 Star Coins? Or am I missing something?
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Old 11-01-2015, 06:10 PM   #145
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both 30 and 27% are higher then 888 and party. and pretty much on par with most ipoker skins now
i get 50% RB on Ipoker so thats not quite.

the standard on Ipoker is much softer on ipoker then stars during my last experience.

I have heard standard on 888 and party was weak. also other sites can run without lagging or crashing most of the time.

further we can expect further and further changes its only going to get worse not better.

i said amongst the worst. the only site that offers a lower then 30% RB that I am aware of is sky poker.

and whilst I have many criticisms of sky poker I will say this most of the time there site runs smoothly and the games there are much softer.
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Old 11-01-2015, 06:11 PM   #146
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Re: 2016 PokerStars VIP Club

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when I started in poker, poker stars was the site to play on. they had the following

the best software,
the best vip program/rake back
the best customer support
the best profit oppertunity
the best traffic
and the most reliability.

there are very few sites that actually offer less then 30% rakeback. since the current system was paying 5.5 points per dollar and 5 in the uk is 90.9%.

if your capped at 30% then that means uk 30%*0.909=27.27% that literally is the worst rake back i can think of anywhere.

you downgraded the software to the point that every other day i have lags or crashes.
you are now amongst the worst in the industry for software reliability

the fact that games can and will be changed to be killed makes you amongst the least reliable site to target a poker career on.

and also currently the standard on stars is tougher then anywhere else.

if i want to make money from poker I would have to be manifestly retarded to pursue it on pokerstars.

I had an interesting thought can a pokerstars rep answer this one question name one single area where stars are now not amongst the worst sites in the industry.

cause i realized your now no longer the leaders in anything but i seriously struggle to see one single area where you offer anything which is even comes close to meeting the average for the industry seriously.
UK players will be back at a 5.5 multiplier I believe (although multipliers on EUR tables are to be reduced across the board.)
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Old 11-01-2015, 06:17 PM   #147
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slightly confused as to how Gold Star and lower are apparently not losing any value, when the value of FPPs is being reduced.

Currently a UK Goldstar who pays $500 in tournament rake in a month earns 2500 vpps and gets 5k FPPs, which are worth roughly $80. In 2016 FPPs are being replaced by Star Coins with a value of 1c each, so will that same player expect to receive ~8000 Star Coins? Or am I missing something?

It`s possible that the multiplier will be different than this year, there isn`t any info about it right now.
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Old 11-01-2015, 06:18 PM   #148
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These changes have been made after months of analysis evaluating data from many different perspectives. We do expect some game types/stakes will be impacted, but overall we believe these changes will have a positive impact on the long-term viability of the poker ecosystem.
I have been made a quick analysis, and found out that introducing a new jp sng format with 3bb stacks and 10% rake would have a more positive impact on the long-term viability of the poker ecosystem and would return the game back to one that rewards skill via winning at the tables rather than playing primarily for volume.

I understand that you have the power to .... us if you want and we cant do anything about it, but dont call it love.

"Shame on you Matthew for having no balls."
"Isn't it obvious that the "2% of players" you're are adressing to are likely some of the best players in the world and mostly pretty smart guys."
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Old 11-01-2015, 06:25 PM   #149
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both 30 and 27% are higher then 888 and party.
Cuz those are the 2 worst VIP programs on the market, well 2nd and 3rd worst now i guess

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and pretty much on par with most ipoker skins now
This is just not true, with a simple google search or just by going into the affiliate subforum here on 2+2 you can get much better deals than just 27%-30% on mostly ANY Ipoker skin, and im talking just direct rakeback, not counting depositors/reload bonuses, private rakeraces and other bonuses.
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Old 11-01-2015, 06:26 PM   #150
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Re: 2016 PokerStars VIP Club

By my quick calculations, a high-volume small stakes cash player earning 400k VPPs in a year currently receives $9,600 in Stellar and milestone rewards and $22,400 in FPP cash. This is a total of $32,000 and works out at approx. 43% rakeback.

Under the new system, there will be no Stellar and milestone rewards and the FPP cash value is reduced by 25% to just $16,800

This is nearly a 50% reduction in value (more if you take into account the lack of Quarterly freeroll) and works out at 22.5% rakeback.

Please correct me if I've missed something.

EDIT: Oh, and the games will probably be much tougher with players filtering down.
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