One jesus seat

https://www.google.com/finance?q=TSE...LYyasgGg5JHoDw

They are going to hell !

In my opinion, this is just temporary as Amaya recent earnings posted results that missed expectations plus the fact that it also lowered its guidance for 2015. Some of the recent headwinds include the Euro decline relative to the dollar (PS market were vastly from Europe), suspension of Portugal and Greece operations. This is a great opportunity to buy the stock as it is currently trading at a discount and growth prospect is promising (daily fantasy sports, online poker in the US regulated market). not taking into account the possibility of the legalization of US online open to the rest of the world, and if that happens you will hit jackpot with your investment.

Short-term results

ya classic monthly downswing , its not because a 100 donks got their rakeback decreased.

lol all those guys who think i'm also that other guy verycrooked, you need to take a look at the times we've been posting. Now it's 11am in NZ where I'm from so for the past 10 hours I've been asleep. Meanwhile, verycrooked has been posting nonstop. A similar pattern should show for previous days. Some of the time he's asleep and I'm posting. some of the time I'm asleep and he's posting, and then there's some overlap where we're both awake and posting. The only way I can be that verycrooked guy is if I'm awake all the time and obviously that's impossible.

Therefore, I've found an ingenious proof for how I can't be him. Now let's get back to talking about the big picture, how this collection of changes recently surfaced from Amaya is beneficial to the long term sustainability of the poker ecosystem.

Maybe it's actually a Fight Club-esque situation where you are one of my many multiple schizophrenic personalities, or I am one of your alter-egos...

I don't think you've actually answered any questions, just open a whole new can of worms my anonymous online friend.

I'm not satisfied at all and I think this line demands further investigation.

EDIT:::
http://www.fool.ca/2015/11/11/why-am...-more-than-30/
EDIT:: more proof that this entire thing has in fact been a masterful manipulation of the marketplace by Amaya to drive down their own stock prices so they control more of EVERYTHING? NOT JUST LESS RAKE BACK BUT ALL OF THEIR STOCK, TOO? Damn you Amaya, when will your evil villainy be exposed for what it truely is.

Not that i'm a conspiracy theorist or anything, just put 2 and 2 together my 2+2ers.

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solid post

It seems even affiliates (since Ps backstabbed them some months ago) are recommending against Pokerstars now.
This is the email i got from x affiliate:

Dear x Member
From January 1st PokerStars will be cutting their rakeback by up to 60%.

The players hit the hardest will be:
PlatinumStar - 10% decrease
Supernova up to 27% decrease
SuperNovaElite up to 60% decrease with a maximum of 30% allowed.
SNE will also be discontinued after 2016

PokerStars say it's about preserving the eco system but most players are sceptical, saying it's about the company making more money.
Earlier this year Stars retroactively changed the terms of their affiliate agreements and reduced most commissions to close to zero.
Now it seems that they want their pound of flesh from the players.

At x we have deals which can return you up to...(lists percentages etc)

So maybe it’s time for a change and to make some of the old great rooms great again?

The problem with most other rooms is their software was better/more reliable 10 years ago.

• Both Party and 888's software is full of bugs and there are frequent disconnections.
• Ongame software is so bad it's hard to describe, it's like they've designed it to look like a cheap flash game (network almost dead).
• Unibet software is good but quite cpu intensive and not too grinder friendly.
• Microgaming software is OK but not much traffic, maybe the best option if traffic improves.
• Ipoker software is very buggy, they have new software currently in beta but it's been scheduled for release for ages and doesn't seem to be making much progress.

It's not an exaggeration to say it was better 10 years ago. Anyone remember Cryptologic? Tribeca? Much better software than most sites all these years later.

The Tribeca software was excellant .. great look, great everything.

Pokerstars software has been laggy and buggy for UK players for a long while, and they seem incapable of fixing it.

They seem to have created a perfect environment in which to lose a lot of customers. It does point to incompetence.

Cryptologic (including Betfair, William Hill) had a great feel to it.

It's always surprised me how poker software is often so bad. Is it really that hard to program?

Are u playing because of good software or only because u want to crush fish and make $$$`?

It's a chicken and egg problem. All the poker players are on pokerstars so poker sites do not have money or incentive to improve their software; most players stay on poker stars because the software is better.

I recently got a pretty good rb deal on ipoker, and although the software takes some getting used to it works well enough for me. It will take your brain a little time to adjust to the different look and feel, but afterwards it's fine. Expect some tilt and frustration for the first couple days, but I promise that goes away after you're making money, and the feeling of not getting rake raped is nice.

At the end of the day, as a professional, your goal should be to make money. Don't worry about what how pretty the interface is.

Adapt or die.

I think players leaving pokerstars will be a good thing in the long run. Having all the top players on one site is bad for poker.

Its not that hard. Actually in 2015 it would be pretty easy to make software far better than, lets say, 888. To get closer to PS, yes, that would need some of the best guys to hire.

So why 888, Party etc have such a poor software? Mostly because owners and top management are guys who have no clue how online based business works in 2015. They think in some Russian oil mobster way, that is - "we invested in this **** (software), so now lets squeeze out of it (for 10 years)". They HAVE NO CLUE what is core values for costumers, and thus they hire stupid marketing stuff. And that stuff knows nothing but few marketing amateur moves, like - offer first deposit bonus via affiliate sites, or pay for their logo been placed during WSOP.

In comparison, the same analogy would be if iphone would change only body, but software inside would remain the same for 10 years.

There is of course another possibility that most of largest rooms are owned by the same guys. In such case it makes sense to invest only in best room. But if this conspiracy has nothing to do with reality, than really there is only one explanation. And argument "good software costs a lot" is not the one.

I think for good online poker ecosystem, what we need the most is some smart guys to create a new poker room. Isai Scheinberg was very smart, and he outplayed in competition all of those mobster/criminal based groups. I believe Amaya roots are much closer to later, so if a group of really smart and intelligent guys will rise up and create new poker room, it really will balance out everything.

For the past few days, I decided to put some money on other sites just to test them.

I played on two different iPoker skins, 888 and Party. I didn't bother with anything else cos there were hardly any games running elsewhere. That doesn't mean that there were many games running on iPoker, 888 and Party though, because there wasn't.

I lasted two days on iPoker before withdrawing due to lack of games and poor software which made it more challenging to multitable. Also, not many regulars play HU or even 3/4 handed.

I lasted less than an hour on 888. Again, I didn't particularly enjoy the software but it's certainly better than iPoker's, and I can see why recs like it. However, the main problem there again is lack of games and there are like 2/3+ reg campers on every table $2/4+. People rarely seem to play hu or 3/4handed games.

I won't even discuss my experience with party. Hi starz I'm back x

Most of those softwares suck for a reason. If any of those toptier sites (after stars) wanted to have a topnotch grinder friendly software, with hotkeys, layout features, advanced multitabling options etc. it would take them max 2 months to get it done.
But they arent developing one bc teh last thing they want is stars current environment and there is literally nothing better to keep grinders away then a ****ed up piece of software. You can note here that its very convinient to play one or two tables on all of those sites but once you go to 6+ it gets very tricky...

Just food for thought

I've been using table ninja on ipoker and when it works it's great. I've had to end many sessions early though when table ninja would crash, or something else related. I don't blame table ninja though because it has to do screen scraping, which is not a very reliable way to interface with a poker site. Still, it works well enough.

I'm getting 50%+ rb, so I'll put up with a few minor inconveniences.

It's so obv, I don't really see how people can't understand that

For sure I get what you're saying.... since errybody could get it done in 2 months and doesn't, i think it's pretty clear where this all points too...

All of these poker sites are really just secretly being taken over by Amaya and PokerStars, having set up to have ****ty software,and probably as soon as any company gets big PokerStars buys them out and takes over how they are run through shadowy and shady shell companies, infuriating every grinder/professional in the making and forcing/funneling them into playing on PokerStars.

I'm not a conspiracy theorist or anything, but I think we can all add 2 + 2 together, can't we my 2+2ers?

Yes they "could" get it done in 2 months. Just like they "could" fix easy bugs that affect everyone (including fish) in 1 week. The reason they don't has more to do with incompetence though.

Good looking (subjective, not necessarily what grinders would want) / smooth running interface is one of those things that get people to choose/stick with a platform. This feels like something that is much more likely to attract/keep recreational players.
Sites have the option of increasing rake, capping #multiple-tables, etc. Why would they make their software awful for 6 tabling to put off winners when they could simply cap at 4-5 tables?

I think something like corporate collusion/softplay is more likely.
None of the other sites are in any position to take on stars market, and if one of them spends on improving their software to something close to Stars it might trigger a sort of software-improvement war, and with all of them improving their software there wouldn't be enough upside since fish won't move sites if their main site is also updating its software.
I think if, say, 888 knew that party/other sites wouldn't change their software, they would be much more likely to go for it. But right now it's like they would all just net lose $ doing this.

There is not a single one tabling fish out there who would switch sites bc of software though. All those sites are very convinient to 1table... im not even sure if teh std 1tabling fish who plays on party twice a week is aware that there are other sites with different sw where he could play as well...