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Old 11-01-2015, 02:26 PM   #51
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Re: 2016 PokerStars VIP Club

Suppose there's not much point following this thread, they'd have expected a negative reaction from 2+2 so doubtful they'll participate in any discussion.

Every decision Stars make now is focussed on (short term) profits. That's not uncommon in business, it's not what made Stars successful though. Monopolies don't last forever, especially when those on top forget how they got there.
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Old 11-01-2015, 02:27 PM   #52
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Dear Pokerstars staff, could you please rehost that corporate blog page onto the Russian site (in English at first if the translation into Russian is not ready yet) and post a link here?

Also,

1. Could you clarify if there will be reimbursements for unused Quarterly Freeroll tickets earned via Gold/Platinumstar satellites (if anyone has more than one such ticket now)?

2. Will there be any additional promotions (or freeroll prize pool increases) specific to Gold/Platinumstars in Nov-Dec 2015 to compensate for the lost option of satelliting into the would-be Feb 2016 Quarterly Freeroll, which was a substantial part of the overall value of the Goldstar status?

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Old 11-01-2015, 02:28 PM   #53
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However, for those who are high-volume players, there are significant changes that will be implemented on January 1st, 2016. Rewards for players who earn >200,000 VPPs will be capped at 30%. Players who earn SNE in 2015 will receive a specific level of rewards of 45% rakeback in 2016. By January 1, 2017, Supernova Elite VIP status will be discontinued.
This part confuses me a little. Wasn't part of the deal in going for SNE in 2015 that the player would receive certain benefits the following year (totaling in excess of 45%)?
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Old 11-01-2015, 02:32 PM   #54
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This part confuses me a little. Wasn't part of the deal in going for SNE in 2015 that the player would receive certain benefits the following year (totaling in excess of 45%)?
Stars response: Yes, it was. Now go **** yourself.
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Old 11-01-2015, 02:35 PM   #55
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Old 11-01-2015, 02:36 PM   #56
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Re: 2016 PokerStars VIP Club

Hello Matthew,

Is it possible to know if those changes are for PS.FR as well ? For current French Supernova Elite, is it also 45% Rakeback ?
I will highly appreciate if we can get an answer about that because we don't get any answer in France.

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Old 11-01-2015, 02:36 PM   #57
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Re: 2016 PokerStars VIP Club

I understand this model working better for a site with less traffic but I don't see how you believe you will make more profit with those changes.

The high volume players aiming for sne or for 400k+ vpps at a breakeven winrate will now just bumhunt and play 1/5 the volume at a bigger winrate.


There are some good parts though:

I do like that you plan on restricting third party tools which cross a certain line.

I also like that you will invest more into attracting new players. Those "overpaid pros" are actually good for the games, they bring in new recreational players.
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Old 11-01-2015, 02:37 PM   #58
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Re: 2016 PokerStars VIP Club

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The changes will result in improved rewards for the vast majority of players. Approximately two percent of players - including our highest volume and high stakes players - will have significantly reduced rewards.
Hi Matthew

1) How much of the total rake is these 2% of players creating?
2) In total raw dollars, how much are you taking away in rewards for any player that will get it worse?
3) In raw dollars how much better will the rewards in total raw dollars numbers be for the 'majority' of players.

If you want to argue this is not a money grap can you please show us how this is done?
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Old 11-01-2015, 02:38 PM   #59
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Re: 2016 PokerStars VIP Club

made cuts into EVERYTHING but this: ChromeStar - Up to 10% increase

wp, now they can claim the changes are balanced
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Old 11-01-2015, 02:40 PM   #60
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Who decided to take the ~RB model of the defunctional FTP and implement on PokerStars that does so well?
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Old 11-01-2015, 02:46 PM   #61
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Old 11-01-2015, 02:47 PM   #62
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made cuts into EVERYTHING but this: ChromeStar - Up to 10% increase

wp, now they can claim the changes are balanced
But how many of these Chrome Star players ever cash out? That's the real question. If they don't ever cash out you can give them a 25% increase but in the end the money will still end up in Stars's pockets.
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Old 11-01-2015, 02:49 PM   #63
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But how many of these Chrome Star players ever cash out? That's the real question. If they don't ever cash out you can give them a 25% increase but in the end the money will still end up in Stars's pockets.
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Old 11-01-2015, 02:53 PM   #64
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But is your euro and GBP empty as well?
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Old 11-01-2015, 02:55 PM   #65
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I understand this model working better for a site with less traffic but I don't see how you believe you will make more profit with those changes.
I think it's the opposite: smaller sites need to reward volume because growth of traffic is important to them, whereas Pokerstars are the market leader (even a monopolist in some game formats) and are in a position to set a pricing that maximises their profit.

I don't expect Stars to give almost free dozens of dollars (€50-70 worth of tickets, I reckon) per person weekly to recreationals like some smaller sites (e.g. Coral on the iPoker network) do.

I think I can pretty much cover my life expenses (in Russia / Belarus / South Asia / Latin America, i.e. $300-400 a month incl. rent) by solely the freebies that various networks throw at me.

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Old 11-01-2015, 02:56 PM   #66
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Re: 2016 PokerStars VIP Club

"We are introducing these changes to move towards a more balanced long-term poker economy and to return the game back to one that rewards skill via winning at the tables rather than playing primarily for volume."

So you are lowering rake then to compensate? No, I guess you aren't.
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Old 11-01-2015, 02:57 PM   #67
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jesus tho, would paying 2016 sne's the same as this year really cost that much money overall? feelsbadman
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Old 11-01-2015, 02:59 PM   #68
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Well, this was retarded.

I hope some other poker site gets its **** together and claim #1 now that Stars completely ****s its customers in all areas possible.
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Old 11-01-2015, 03:04 PM   #69
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Re: 2016 PokerStars VIP Club

Almost all of this would be reasonable if it was paired with a rake decrease across the board. Without that, it's a straight money grab and does nothing to further the poker ecosystem longevity. It's not even going towards the lower VIP tiers. 10% for Chrome, what a joke.
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Old 11-01-2015, 03:05 PM   #70
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R.I.P STARS
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Old 11-01-2015, 03:08 PM   #71
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R.I.P STARS and iPoker and Microgaming
FYP SBR was good (at least not that bad) for some of iPoker's games like Twister, in my impression, now Stars have played back in this game of 'ping-pong' (with regs being 'the ball') and are to remove the market arbitrage (make their field less tough and fields of other networks tougher).

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Old 11-01-2015, 03:08 PM   #72
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Re: 2016 PokerStars VIP Club

VPPs will not be earned in high-stakes cash games. High-stakes cash games include pot-limit and no-limit games with blinds of $5-$10 or higher, 8-game $10-$20 or higher, and other limit games with blinds of $10-$15 or higher (limit hold’em of stakes $15-$30 and higher).

Guys, I have to ask about it because it seems unreal for me but... Does it mean there will be no rakeback for highstakes players? o0
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Old 11-01-2015, 03:09 PM   #73
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Damn cant imagine how many people would be like this right about now
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Old 11-01-2015, 03:10 PM   #74
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Matthew, how does this affect pokerstars.it players? We already get F****d hard with rakeback and fpps, will it get worse?
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Old 11-01-2015, 03:10 PM   #75
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first they introduced spin&gos
now this bs??

i was supernova for 5 years, but now it is pointless to force in serious volume

RIP stars, time to explore other sites
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