They were incapable of banning seating scripts. They can't do **** .

Yea they can say "Don't do it", but to me it sounds more like "Please don't do it, we have no defense".

Unless you're on the moon right now you will remind yourself of the bot-case and who busted them and how Stars handled it, it is not long ago...

It will be bad at first but with time more players would be attracted since you will generate a lot of action. Actually WPN seems like a serious network so far.

Message to all PokerStars players.

Hi, I'm a regular player for 6 years.
I have not read any issue in response to the latest modifications to the PokerStars VIP system.
I think we regular (guess we're over 90% of total customers) have to make decisions. We can not lower his head and accept any changes of a monopolistic system.

As clients but mainly as workers, we must defend our position.

I have ideas, such as a strike, or perhaps suspend our activities in the room from 1 January.
Another possibility would be to require the diminution of the rake. Because there is no consistency in the announcement of PokerStars. If you want to give a clean and jerk to the recreational game then why still they charge the same rake ?. Decreasing the rakeback ?.

Do not lie to us, this is a typical initiative of a monopolistic market.

We should do something together, alone will achieve nothing.

But together we have a lot of power.

Greetings and I hope your answers !!!!

pokerstars endures longer without regs than regs without pokerstars.

From business perspective, this move probably makes sense:

1) Amaya realizes that more players (customers) equals more profit. Lets check some options to get more customers.

2) Whoo! Pokerstars is on sale! It has hundreds of thousands of players, lets buy it. No reason to look somewhere else.

3) Great, Pokerstars is profitable but are there still some options to boost our profits? Well, it looks like some players are withdrawing more then depositing. We must get rid of them.

4) Okay, we have a plan to get rid of the winning players, is there any way to benefit from it more? Yes, there is - we will make it look like they are the bad guys stealing everyones money, and we will make us look like Robin Hood, stealing it back and distributing it to the majority of our customers (no, we won't actually give it back, are you crazy? Of course we will keep it, as it will allow us to pay corporate debts and buyback shares and Amaya shares will skyrocket).

5) Awesome, shares went up, there are loads of cash to pay fat dividends for a few years, let's collect our bonuses now before it all burns.

And it will. It is just so much easier to destroy than create. Let's see how long will it take to destroy a company that took 10 years to build.

I think we've had enough time to be in shock and it's time to take some massive action. This issue is very time sensitive, but two months is a lot of time if we start now and utilize the amazing human resources this community has.

The poker community is full of really smart people who are really motivated to shape a better future for online poker than the one Amaya has in mind. But we need to utilize this power beyond angry posts in this thread and random tweets.

Here are a few ideas:

1. We build a simple website (Wordpress or Wix) where people can read our agenda. This is much better to share on social media than a 2p2 thread with hundreds of comments (some of them amazingly well thought-out and we can just take sections from them to the website).

2. We create a logo to put everywhere, from 2p2 profiles to twitter profiles to PokerStars Avatars. Preferably with the website address embedded

3. We launch a massive social media campaign. Many players have huge followings on social media and can spread the message far and wide. I'm not talking only about twitter, but also twitch, facebook, other poker forums and poker training sites. We can speak much, much louder than Stars.

4. We assign a committee of highly-respected players to discuss a healthier future for Poker with Amaya

There are many more options, from signing non-playing petitions for a period starting Jan1 (with PokerStars screen names) to buying ads on poker news sites. If some funding is needed, I'm sure the community will be able to raise it from within.

I can keep throwing ideas (some of them might not be good), but my main point is that we should start thinking about what we should do. I'm sure other people in this community can come up with brilliant ideas, much better ideas than mine.

We live in an amazing time in history where even a small group like us (the 2% they call us) can make a really huge noise. We need to get amateur players on board, but very few of them will ever read this thread.

I think we should open a new thread devoted solely to taking action. I would have opened it myself but I think it would be much better if one of the bosses in our community would do this instead.

If it doesn't work out, at least we did what we could. At the very least, we can make them sweat for a while. And this might end up being more fun that you think.

any chance anyone can run the numbers of how much money stars is about to lose in rake next year.

no more high stake hyper games running.

cash games over 5/10 nl running alot less

sngs RIP

etc im curious.....

this

+1 I am with you guys helping in everything I can. I already cashed out all my money from Pokerstars and playing in other room.

This is well written and makes sense. Need to find a face/voice to front it.

Someone respected throughout the poker community, smart and most importantly has the backing of online grinders.

Get a list of candidates going, maybe a poll, add to the website.

lmao esp @ bolded part, pretty sure this is close to reality.

Sure, like the last 100 times there was "massive action", like sitting out protests, where is the sigh emoticon?

Not like I'm not for it. I'll get "my" 57k from those geniuses and then I'm willing to help in other areas, like getting rid of a lot of the integrity team and replace them with competent humans.

The rake thing that is going on now is w/e, it had to be expected as the moneygrab was called out early:


Nontheless nothing that can't be fixed.

my two cents i think we just all move and encourage others to move to other sites and spread the word if stars player base goes down and it becomes known as just casino in disguise in time they would lose there dominance.

Now I do not support the idea of sit out protests because i think we should put our influence on business through pr and demand which is all fair game through hostile vandalism is not appropriate.

However if Amaya went to buy out competition to stop this and force a monopoly then that is immoral and i fully support any action including even hacking as well as sit out protests.

i can sit out if it comes to it but have no tech skills so no use in hacking lol.

+1

this has been their plan since the takeover, become a monopoly and pick pocket of everyone afterwards, wp

there are still bots playing on stars and u think ur gunna take out huds. lol goodluck with that

less public scandalds though, ez game

Finally something useful

Less public scandals is good for everyone (but recreationals).

Horrible money grab by Pokerstars/Amaya.

It's not illegal or sketchy at all. From the T&Cs


1.PokerStars VIP Club program membership and benefits are provided at the sole discretion of PokerStars.

2.PokerStars reserves the right to terminate or amend VIP Club program membership and benefits at its sole discretion and at any time.

+1

Nailed it.

I like this example. You can't make changes to complex systems with many interdependent variables without getting nasty surprises at the end. (see book Antifragile)